You honestly think this is about Obamacare and NOT the fact that the president hasn't had a budget passed the entire time he's been in office?

This same president has raised the debt ceiling HOW many times while in office?

But...yet...holding the government accountable for it's spending somehow equates to "republicans are the debil"

Call it whatever makes you feel more 'Murican (or elitist canadian for Papa :rockwoot: )but it damn sure ain't ONE sided fucktardedness

Debt is growing, maintenance on the debt is growing, and the debt started growing with Bush but it's Obama's fault. Inflation exists. More people are on the social safety net than ever before. Your basic costs of doing business are rising, without increasing the services involved. Where does the debt ceiling go down?

Yet he wanted the job :skep: Wonder what the statute of limitation on blaming the previous administration for the problems of the current administrations entire run is? I suppose The Carter administration blamed Ford for the fuel crisis too, so par for the course.

Supporters of the Bush II regime were blaming Carter for the crash :shrug:

Starting to see a lot of blame going specifically towards Boehner...

This partisanship garbage is fucking ruining us... yet we live and breathe the shit... It's really scary to go back and look at what people were saying under Bush and how clearly they're tunes have changed - on BOTH sides. it's fucking sports teams...

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And they were right... Started with Carter and made worse as the years went on. You may or may not recall, the Bush administration was trying to plug the leaks in the wall before the whole thing collapsed, and the Dem response was, "there's no problems here."

You can certainly blame the Bush administration for a lot of things, but if you get to the nuts and bolts of it, it wasn't just their doing... not by a long shot.

Oddly enough I don't see those two statements as being at odds. Raising the debt ceiling is a failure of leadership (across the entire government) AND it's irresponsible for America to consider not paying its debts.

The ceiling does eventually have to be raised somewhat, as a matter of simple realism, due to factors like inflation. It's the AMOUNT that's at issue.

They wouldn't be at odds if in a different context...

I disagree. The Tea Partiers say not one dollar more. That's unrealistic, at best.

Unrealistic, but a step in the right direction.