Gas Man and marko pillage the East (MASSIVE pics)
 

Anyone who reads this forum knows Gas Man came out to PA last weekend. We covered 500 miles, rode through 4 states, ate 2 different cheesesteaks, demo'd Victory motorcycles, hit a massive rally, and ate way too much food.

On with the pics.

Friday: Gas Man arrives. 2 push-rod twins ready to do business.
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Saturday: We hit the local Victory dealer to do a demo ride. We were on a tight schedule all weekend so we had to get there early to get on the first ride.

We both wanted to ride the Cross Country (the Street Glide clone) but they were both spoken for. So Gas rode the Vision and I rode the Cross Road (Road King clone)

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The Cross Roads was nice. But not totally refined. It was loud mechanically. Gas says it was the straight cut gears making that racket. But extremely comfortable. This was the first touring bike I've ever rode. Felt like I could go all fucking day on this beast. Relatively easy to maneuver at parking lot speeds.

Gas and I switched bikes for the 10 minute ride back to my house. The Ultra is heavy. No joke. But once you get it rolling its super easy to ride. And oh man, is it comfortable. Much like the Buell there's just so much torque down low, which the Victory lacked.

Gas Man proceeded to wheelie my Buell as we approached a stop sign a block from my driveway. I was watching him in the mirror of his bike and BOOM...up comes my front wheel. :lol: I started laughing out loud and so did he. I could tell he was having a good time on the torque monster XB. He claims me telling him the front wheel comes up easy was more like an invitation than a warning. :lol: No harm, no foul. He's only the 3rd person other than me to ride my bike.

From there we went south to Hanover to meet up with OTB. Long story short, OTB got caught in some wicked traffic and we never met up with him. So we headed south to MD. Rode 77 through Thurmont near Camp David. Gas has some good pics from that ride that my wife took from the back of his bike. Then we rode back to PA through 4 state parks and 1 big ass state forest. Good roads. Not a totally shitty ride. 200 miles.

Sunday: Up early again. Heading east to Ephrata for a once a month massive rally. Hundreds and hundreds of bikes show up for this thing.

Gas HD, my buddy's FZ1, and my Buell:
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This is left field of a baseball field:
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First Buell sighting:
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A couple Prillers:
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2nd Buell sighting...a CR with a bad ass looking exhaust. Not the best sounding though,
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A S2:
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A XB9S that was for sale. Wish I coulda bought it:
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Tons of bikes:
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Another XB:
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Moar with the peoples:
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Row of Ducs:
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A few RC51 sightings as well:
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Did you guys take a nap before you pillaged :lol:

Who was rockin the TLS in that one pic

Cool pics.

Looks like a good time

Peoples:
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You know how I loves me Buells:
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Now on toward Philadelphia via Wilmington, DE.

We met at 9th and Passyunk...an hour late:
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Thats the intersection with the world famous Pat's King of Steaks and Geno's Steaks. My wife's cousin was there, Phenix Rider was waiting for us since noon.

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We hit Pat's first, since everyone says they are the best:
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The mushroom steak with provolone wit out:
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Good but not as good as it's made out to be.

Then the rest of the crew rolled up. Derf, Dave, his old lady.

After eating that steak we walked across the street, where only Gas Man and I were man enough to eat another steak.

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From there we wanted to be the rain home, but Gas needed his NJ sticker so we rolled out.

Notice Derf running to assult my bike:
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Finally we stop for fuel. Everyone peeled off but Phenix:

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We followed that guy all the way from Harrisburg. Turns out it was a dude I know. He inspected my Buell when I bought it.

Looks like good times brother. Inspires me to take some shots of my next rides. Always cool to share whatcha see...Thanks for the effort.

Gas Man took a shit ton of pics too. And my wife snagged some good moving shots from the back of his bike. Hopefully he'll post those soon.

good times and pics....

She did a good job of those at the NE rally last year.

Yeah, for sure.

I want to put someone on the back of the GS sitting backwards this year at the rally and snap some cool at speed shots. Wonder if we can find someone brave enough.

We can medicate NTS, I am sure he would love to sit on the back of your bike :lol:

i will pass on that shit

Good call, he could come to and violate both of you simultaneously :lol:

Awesome pics. Marko I gotta say ur bike is sweet :rockwoot:

Thanks man. I like it too.

I bet you could get Ebbs to sit on your lap backwards and take pics.

Cool pics. Looks like good times had by all. That's what it's all about. :rockwoot:

I thought the hokey pokey was what its all about :lol:

Cool pics! Looks like a good time

Well crap I guess you are right...my bad...don't taze me bro !! :rofl: :rofl:

Definitely was a good time.

Savin it for marko so no worries :lol:

I won't let you get that close.

You gotta go to sleep sometime ;)

tommys a big mofo a 9mm won't bring him down immediately like a movie

I do and will get up tonight when home...

I'll take one for the team... I don't care... just don't try reachin around... damn homo!

We can see if I can get a knee down, lol

My girl might do it!!

I got 16 rounds to try.

cool pics. ride pics are always good.

That might just anger me :lol:

It would be like bee stings to a T-Rex

I'll take my chances.

and hopefully she weights less than me.

Cheese Steak Run
 

3 days
8 state parks
2 state forests
6 states
1 victory demo ride

So Friday I run out to my good bud Mark's house. Arriving at his house in Harrisburg, PA we get a pic of two sexy push rod twins.

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Saturday we start out with a ride up to the Victory dealer which has the corperate truck there for demo rides.
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Even though we both wanted to test ride the Cross Country (Street Glide look alike), we had to settle for something else.
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The victory vision 8ball, was my test ride. First I notice the 8" deep dish seat. The huge mirrors off in the distance grab ur eyes. You reach for the long pull back handle bars and you have a startling realization, half of those big mirrors shows all your knuckles. Yikes!
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Turn the key, thumb the starter and the 106 CI comes to life with very little enthusiasm or sound. It's what you can expect from a non push rod motor. But let's take it for a whirl. The throttle and brakes are crisp and responsive. But within only a few miles you notice the trans. Victory saw fit to pack all 6 speeds with noisey straight cut gears. So during the entire ride I had to listen to this trans.

There was a saving grace to all of this. Motorvasion Victory provided us with what is the best test ride route I've ever been on. Thru the mountains, twisting our way thru this 20 min adventure.

During which I have been trying to figure out the workings of this bike. My first confused point is this power windshield button. I cannot get this windshield to move. More on that later...

I love the big gear indicator located in the LCD. The deep seat is comfy and even while the trans is noisy its also consistent. The bike also seems to be very well balanced.
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The 106CI motor does the job but with no excitement. Further, the lack of push rods gives exactly what I was expecting. Pure lack of bottom end torque, disappointing for this large displacement motor.

In the final miles we are out of the mountains and have a few traffic lights to navigate. I figured out that the blinkers are a 10 second blinker unless you have the clutch in (bike in gear) or in neutral. Under those 2 circumstances it will blink forever. Otherwise 10 seconds later regardless if you have turned or not; the blinker turns off. Good, bad, or indifferent? I do however, dislike the single staulk metric style blinker button.

At a light, not even neutral will get this windshield to move with this button. After we arrive at the dealer, I ask a sales lady about it. Nothing. Finally she asks a mechanic and he informs me that this windshield button doesn't work. The 8ball version doesn't have the power windshield but they leave only use the one style controls. Seriously? I then point out to the mechanic that it has a manual adjustment. Plus he confirms my analysis that the trans is packed full of straight cut gears. He tells me its to be strong and last a lifetime, which like charlie browns teacher all I hear is I'm going to have to hear this for a lifetime of ownership had I owned this bike. Why o why!

Hey, as a consultation they give you a MP3 plug in between you and the bars, under the left side fairing compartment.
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My bud, Mark, road the Cross Roads. He said, while this is the first cruiser he ever rode, he said it was the most comfortable bike he's sat on.
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This had standard bike amenities and I stand on my believe this is a want to be Road King. Right up to the standard equipment you see from the saddle.
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We also notice that the saddle bags on the vision are useless with the side filling. Can a guy get a cargo net?
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The new cross roads and country aren't affected by this handicap. Maybe they'll adapt these to the vision.
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Neither is the cross country
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I still like victories and while they're looks are weird they make a decent bike.

The demo ride is done and while I would have loved to ride and chat more. We have other adventures to start.

My buddy and I head out now with his wife now in tow on my back seat. We headed to the first state park, codorus park, to meet another buddy but he got caught up and couldn't make it out. So Mark checks the map...
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Havin fun with my camera
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We head south, but first we must unload the guns. Rumor has it, MD won't re-act to kindly to how we roll.
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crossing the mason dixon line and entering Maryland.
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We then travel thru some great roads and the mid 80 degree temps made for a hot n sticky that I'm just not use to yet on May 1st. Cachuchin state park gave us a winding road along lakes, and creeks.
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Mark approves of his road wonder findings...
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After we head back north we enter pa again and while running up 233 ran us thru 6 state parks and some amazing road twists.
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It was an amazing day of roads that we found ourselves trekking.
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I give it to Mark. For only being in these areas once before, he took me on roads that I could only dream to find in Michigan.

End of Saturday... 200 miles.

Sunday we roll out to Epheta for their first sunday of the month bike gathering at the American Legion.
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When I say there were bikes... there were tons!
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See the thread
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So then we had to hit the pavement running. We are late for our meet in Philly. With our trek thru our nations first state, Delaware, we had a hard and fast run to make.

We finally end up at the whole original reason for this weekend ride...
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That's right. The 2 most famous debated cheesesteaks
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Our crew started to line up.
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Mark and his beautiful wife
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Sunday afternoon... a line? seroiusly! Pat's up first
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The steak was bland, but the grease from it thinned out the whiz, cooked onions and mushrooms... it is good. $9 + drink
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In the mean time this tool backs their POS ice cream truck in, trying to score on this hot day. People aren't here for ice cream, GET LOST!
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Round 2.... Geno's
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$8.50 and it's definitely less to it. The roll is much softer which is at first awesome but then you realize you have to tear it. But there was less steak, and the onions weren't even completely cooked.
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The debate ended poorly. I wasn't in love with either. Had it not been for the fabulous roads we discovered and the good company. This would have been a total loss for adventure status.

We load up and throw the kickstands up for the last cool piece before my run home.
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We run over to Jersey and I discover its nothing more than Michigan on the east coast with way more foreign cars. The roads are crap, it stinks, the houses and businesses are placed similarly. Plus a-hole drivers I'm use to.

After getting to the PA turnpike we have lost everybody but our buddy James.
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We then loose him as well as he heads home. There was a huge possibility that we were going to hit some seroius storms on the way home. But other than a wet shoulder on the turnpike it was clear sailing. We even switched rides cause the Buell was beating up on Mark with 225 miles under his belt today. I didn't mind, I enjoyed the switch and enlighting of Mark on the HD Ultra meathods. The Buell is a real nice bike. The power of torque was great and seemed to be so solid. What a perfect end to a great day of riding. We arrive back at his house, not 10 mins later it starts to pour. WOW!

So I'm able to put in some of the smallest state stickers of the bunch. Doesn't really show the efforts we put forth but nevertheless, more filled in color.
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I made my adventure home and my luck ran out with rain dodging. About an hour into it, when in the thick of the mountains heading north, go figure. It dried up shortly after I got on I-80W. The rest of the ride was sunny and nice. Another 500 miles...

Totally nearly exactly 1500 miles in the 4 days.

My hats off to Mark. My many thanks for everybody else meeting up with us in Philly.

Enjoy!

Good story. Good pics. What other forum did you post that on?

Right now just here and my michigan site. Probably a few others later when i get to them. Playing catch up

Thank you for sharing guys!

We can get you south carolina on friday of the rally, I need it too.

Great! i checked, its only a little over an hour.

Great write up and pics from both of you.

Shit, I need to order the map and stickers now that I have a bike. Only can put two states on for now, but will get a few others from going to the rally. If you have them printed, send em when you send the box o crap and I'll mail you a check or bring it to you at the rally.

I looked at all the pics again. Sweet pics. Looks like you guys had fun.

I need to buy a cruiser...

I think I will just give you the box when you are here. One of the items I wanted for it doesn't look like it's going to come in. I am done trying to get it. Too much hassle for something that will just go in the trash anyway.

Still hoping to run with you to Mark's in July it that is cool with Mark

Anytime brother.

:rockwoot:

Me too :)

Of course. But, again, you know the rules.

that is a sexy XB.


Can't say the same for the cheesesteak on it.:tremble:

And still no pics of said killed tire...

Well, it's a Pirelli, much like the one in the post above yours. With a flat center.

The tire died of embarrassment, apparently.

Did you get a look at those chicken strips?! :lmao:

At one time I rode those tires edge to edge. I'm just not at that point in my life any more.

That's what ya get for riding with a HD :lol:

It's not even that man...though we did alot of interstate miles Sunday. I just dont ride all that hard anymore. Not worth the risk to me.

:lol: Not a problem. I'll bring money for a map sticker with me. Have one ready when I get there! :D

I know the feeling, which is why I was seriously looking at cruisers. With the fact I have to ride on some dirt roads, the V-strom seems to make more sense, still has the upright position, yet allows me to get some hard cornering in if I want it, with just enough quickness to feed the adrenaline desire sometimes.

Can you keep up? Ask Mark... I don't delay when rollin highway.

You're willing to keep up with me on a road trip.

Age & matuarity changes things don't it.

Oh and are we going to get the shitville sticker too????

I drove by the Victory dealer today and they were having a ride day, so I pulled up on the bus. Everyone just stared at me like I was dancing on the head of a russian bear riding a unicycle.

I checked out the bikes, and thought the styling was bland, but the paint was beautiful on every Victory they had there. After 5 minutes of wandering around the bikes and shop, I got back on the bus and rode off. Nobody spoke to me once.

Maybe some day.

Wouldn't know about the maturity thing... :lol:

Honestly, I would probably get more use out of a cruiser at this point. But, I'll never sell that Buell. It's just too much fun to ride. I do hope to get to the track once this year though.

And trust me, I can turn it up when I want to. It's not like I forgot how to ride fast, I just choose not to. I've got scuffed knee pucks on my leathers...which I dont wear very often. :lol:

:lol: No joke, this guy makes quick work of pavement when he's on the hiway. Rider, bring a tow strap.

Not us, we had a hot blonde chatting us up immediately upon arrival.

I got that sucker doing 80+ now, so no problem.

Reflective/nonreflective? USA48 or USA + Canada? If nonreflective, what color border (black/white/gray) Reflective only comes in white right now.

Most people wont keep up. Sure the Buell, and sportbike whatever can go faster but let's see who makes it to the end of the 500 mile trip first. :skep:

i will step up to that challenge, only thing that does me in is the limited range on the priller. :(

i noticed :lol: i was a little confused as i was plodding along 295 waiting for everyone to catch up then it occurred to me that y'all wouldnt be used to NJ freeway merging :lmao:

real nice riding with people from the forum finally (besides derf) hope we can do it again sometime

I threw them off at the PA rally when i lane split between a few cars at an intersection :lol: and I am prety tame compared to NYC standards :lol:

lane splitting is the one thing that does not work for me. I've done it once and that was on accident. car went to left lane then came back to center lane which was now occupied by me. yep me in the middle of two cars with a cop coming the other way at that time. guess he must have seen the whole deal because he didn't pull me for splitting. here you get tagged for that one fast.
not my thing at all.

Threw the driver of the car off too....judging by the tall man he gave you.

Just ran through this thread again and saw newer pics...glad I did...cool shots.

Then he saw the NY plates and knew better than to mess with us :lol:

Mini-Rally at my house this year. July 23, 24, 25.

USA48 Nonreflective, black. PM sent in case you don't check back here.

Hmm, will have to put that on the calendar and see what I can do.

Have 3, possibly 4 semi-confirmed at this point. Gas Man, Tommy, and Phenix, and probably Rider.

That's the thing... I can do 85 and still get 200 miles to the tank.

And I call shotty on my bedroom. Everybody else can sleeping bag it!

Haven't checked to see what I get per tank at that speed, but was running 250 miles per tank at all ranges of speeds and cranking on the throttle from time to time.

Shit, I'll sleep in a tent in the back yard and be happy. :lol:

Be happy till Manny eats u alive!!

:lol:

Can we get drunk and break stuff

As long as it's not my stuff.

do you like your neighbors? :lol:

No breaking the neighbors stuff.

Youre making this difficult :lol:

And he don't even like the neighbors! WTF

Fixed

Much better:rockwoot:

Keep it up. The fridge will be filled with water.

Have to invite AMJ then, to turn that shit into wine!

Then shit will be broken thats I can guarantee :lol:

Watch your step, young man.

you male threats like that and you tell ME to watch my step,now thats a hoot :tremble: :lol:

Gas, I like your write up on the Vision. I don't me to be argumenitive just some point of data. The Trannie gears are not square cut. The first 3 years they were but the most recent Trannies aren't. What you do have is classic sportbike transmission that has been up scaled and there is no doubt you hear it (No lifter noise to hide it? :)) As far as Torque goes you are absolutely right. When Victory first introduced the Hammer Engine 1999-2001 (not the Hammer Model) 92 CI It produced exceptional Low end Torque. It did however have straight cut gears in the transmission. (also 1999-2000 had a History of of 2nd gear failure) 2002 they produce the the 92 CI "Freedom" Motor with a smoother transmission bevel cut gears.But drop compression down to 9 to 1 Also this is the first engine that a Big Bore Kit is available for bumps displacement up to 100 CI.
2005 they introduce the Hammer Model this is a Stock 100 CI. This is also the year that SS announces they will produce a 106 CI kit.
By 2008 the 106 is the standard engine. But in order to warranty the engine they have neutered the 9 to 1 compression and valve sizes that were developed to feed the 92 CI engines limit it. SS makes a replacement head with Larger intake and Exhaust Valves if you want to drop the coin and frankly if I were going to do another Victory I would or I would have Lloyd Greer Do what he did for mine and ope the Intake and exhaust Valves. Also if you are going into a Victory engine you owe yourself a set of of 10.5 to 1 J&E Pistons.
While I will never convince anyone I still believe Pushrods belong on tractors no motorcycles , but then again all my HD Buddies tell me real motorcycles don't have radiators.

The info of the straight cut gears came directly from one of the salesmen. I was standing there when he told us. So, either you or him are wrong. And knowing salesmen, it's probably him. He mentioned early models haveing tranny problems.

The Victories are nice bikes, but my point and I believe Gas Man's point, is you should have to have all those mods and money dumped into the bike to make it worth riding. The valves, the higher comp pistons. Who wants to do that? Not me.

As for the pushrods, Corvettes, Mustangs, etc all had pushrods and made and make plenty of power.

Thanks Marko. I actually asked him if they were heely (SP?) cut or straight. At any rate they were loud as F. Being directly under you, no exhaust will even cover up that noise.

And Yes Marko. I'm with ya. Say what you want about pushrods as non-believers. My 96" has way more power than that 106". My bike is basically stock. I have done no performence mods. not even my slip ons. Don't believe me.

Marko rode each bike only once. Everything felt more refined and solid on my HD. However, I still think the Victory felt better than most metric cruisers I have rode.

They are right.
http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/G...sales1_795.jpg

:D

I am sorry but , respectfully, the salesman was wrong. I have had the 01 and 03 transmissions apart.
A Place to check would be Lloydz Motorworkz at www.quickvic-usa.com Lloyd Greer is the probably the best non factory Vic wrench in the US he also wrenches HD's
As far perceived power that is relative, and there is no doubt that the HD makes its power down lower than the Victory. The Vic like The point of the mods is that you can achieve the same low end torque as t the Pushrods motors, if you choose.
I agree if were financing a bike I wouldn't pull it apart. (when it comes to Bikes, I believe SS stands for stock sucks and nothing I own is stock.)
Lest anyone think I am bashing HDs I am not, I just instinctively root for the Underdog,
Again I feel a little foolish defending Victory while mine is for sale.
My Bias will always be away from pushrod engines

Yep, as I said, I don't know how the trans gears are cut but they are loud as F. Any adjustment to the throttle brings on the noise. Mechanic/salesman whatever wrong or not, doesn't change the noise level.

I still root for them, cause they are American made. But I don't see em overcoming the HD craze. I still think HD is more for your buck. And they are priced about the same when you compare apples to apples. I've done a few of the vic builds on their site... and poof... same if not more $$