Yep 4:00
The PF-9 I can wear at 3:00 with no print or issues even in shorts (camo or black/dark shorts...not tan)
It's a cheaper model, and I ended up buying the clips for it because I liked them on the Minotaur one so well. If the el cheapo PF-9 one craps out I'll spring for a minotaur for it as well.
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