it lives..........

RACER X · 06-26-2009, 01:05 PM

and Big O is still doling out $ like candy

Originally Posted by Mercury News
Tesla locks up $465 million in federal loans, will build battery facility in Bay Area

By Patrick May

Mercury News
Posted: 06/23/2009 06:25:43 PM PDT
Updated: 06/25/2009 03:17:04 AM PDT

With Tuesday's announcement of a $465 million federal loan to jump-start production of fuel-efficient cars, San Carlos' Tesla Motors ensured its survival and helped raise the Bay Area's stature as a hotbed of green innovation.

"Tesla's success is our success," said Nanci Klein of San Jose's Office of Economic Development.

And Tesla's decision to spend some of that money to open a $100 million advanced battery and powertrain manufacturing facility in the Bay Area — whose location will probably be announced next month — will "allow our local companies to engage even more with Tesla as they ramp up. We're ecstatic."

Privately held Tesla, maker of the all-electric Roadster, has been working
More auto news with the Department of Energy for two years to lock up the funding.

While its share pales compared with the $5.9 billion going to Ford Motor and the $1.6 billion to Nissan North America, the money green-lights Tesla's plans for the battery facility as well as an assembly plant in Southern California where it will produce its next car, the Model S. This next-generation zero-emission sedan will go into production in late 2011.

During a conference call Tuesday, Chairman Elon Musk said the loan will help Tesla turn a profit by next month.

"We don't need to raise more money; we may choose to, but we're not out there beating the bushes to find other investors." And he predicted "the entire automotive market will eventually become
fully electric, mark my word. It's just a question of how long."

Asked why he was so sure, Musk offered Tesla's recent sales as proof. "We sold 1,000 cars in a month and a half without having the money secured from the DOE, in the worst economy since the Great Depression, and with no advertising. What more do you need?"

The recession and credit crunch had hampered Tesla's access to cash, and getting the loan was considered crucial to its survival, even after the company announced in May that German automaker Daimler had acquired an equity stake of nearly 10 percent in the electric-car concern.

"It was either live or die," said Jim Hossack, an analyst with the AutoPacific consultancy in Tustin who called Tuesday's announcement "a turning point for the industry, just as big or bigger than Tesla's deal with Daimler. That gave them credibility and technical resources, and this government support is vital to them as well."

In fact, Tesla's strategic partnership with Daimler was a key factor in the Energy Department's decision to lend it money. In a statement, Energy Secretary Steven Chu applauded Tesla's focus on accelerating "production of fuel-efficient vehicles in America. These investments will come back to our country many times over, by creating new jobs, reducing our dependence on oil, and reducing our greenhouse gas emissions."

Once dubbed "the poster child of green mobility," Tesla has been a leader in the race to make the electric car a reality, creating the first such vehicle, the Roadster, to travel more than 200 miles between charges. Next up: the Model S, a sedan the company hopes will have mass-market appeal that will sell for about $45,000. That's about half the price of the high-performance Roadster.

Last year, Tesla announced it would build a 500-worker assembly plant in San Jose, but then said in January that it would instead find an existing building to retrofit and would be looking for a new location.

Musk said Tuesday the company would announce "probably next month" the Bay Area location of its new powertrain manufacturing plant, where 650 employees will produce battery packs, chargers, motors and power electronics modules — the "brains" of an electric vehicle — for both Tesla vehicles and those of other automakers.

Battery pack production will begin in 2011, reaching about 10,000 packs by 2012 and 30,000 in 2013, the company said.

And while it would have been nice to land the 1,000-worker assembly plant here as well, San Jose's Klein said, "The powertrain is the heart of this technology, and that's what's most important to have in Silicon Valley."

Automobile analyst Philip Gott with IHS Global Insight welcomed Tuesday's announcement, but he wondered whether a niche company like Tesla, despite its innovative prowess, was the best place to put government money. He spoke from China, where the government was now teaming up with industry to try to dominate electric-vehicle technology.

"This will be a very tough global race for technological superiority over the next decade," he said. "It's about time we got started. But with all due respect to Tesla, and I admire their entrepreneurial zeal and perseverance, my view is their business model works only in a very specialized premium market. And I wonder if our tax money would be better spent on a more mainstream player."

pauldun170 · 06-26-2009, 01:11 PM

So the US is basically underwriting a startup?

Are they going to subsidize the cars to make them competitive in the market place or are we just dumping cash into a niche car maker that will see probably 500 units a years in sales...

goof2 · 06-26-2009, 01:51 PM

It is a drop in the bucket compared to the $25+ billion set aside for loans to promote alternative fuel vehicles. Hell, at least this money is going to a company based in America, unlike the $1.6 billion that is being loaned to Nissan North America to build a factory. The flip side is Nissan will most likely pay back their loan. I suspect the loan to Tesla will need to be written off once they declare bankruptcy in 5-10 years.

To put it in perspective though, I doubt Toyota could have developed the Prius if not for a loan from the Japanese government that I believe was estimated at $9 billion.

pauldun170 · 06-26-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goof2

It is a drop in the bucket compared to the $25+ billion set aside for loans to promote alternative fuel vehicles. Hell, at least this money is going to a company based in America, unlike the $1.6 billion that is being loaned to Nissan North America to build a factory. The flip side is Nissan will most likely pay back their loan. I suspect the loan to Tesla will need to be written off once they declare bankruptcy in 5-10 years.

To put it in perspective though, I doubt Toyota could have developed the Prius if not for a loan from the Japanese government that I believe was estimated at $9 billion.

good point on all counts

Homeslice · 06-26-2009, 02:09 PM

Have they even sold any of those $100K impractical cars yet? The only people who would buy them are rich sports car buffs who already have 2-3 other cars. I would rather see this money going directly to battery companies, not auto companies.

goof2 · 06-26-2009, 02:20 PM

One side issue, what dipshit decides to build a battery factory in the SF bay area? With their stringent environmental regulations, high labor costs, high property costs, and (I'm guessing) high tax rates that would be the last place I would want any factory, much less a battery factory. I would be concerned about any company that makes this kind of business decision.

Dave · 06-26-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Have they even sold any of those $100K impractical cars yet? The only people who would buy them are rich sports car buffs who already have 2-3 other cars. I would rather see this money going directly to battery companies, not auto companies.

im sure ed begley jr got one

RACER X · 06-26-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Have they even sold any of those $100K impractical cars yet? The only people who would buy them are rich sports car buffs who already have 2-3 other cars. I would rather see this money going directly to battery companies, not auto companies.

azooom had 1 show up to a trackday in austin.

Adeptus_Minor · 06-26-2009, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Have they even sold any of those $100K impractical cars yet? The only people who would buy them are rich sports car buffs who already have 2-3 other cars. I would rather see this money going directly to battery companies, not auto companies.

Amen.
They're cool as shit looking and it's nice to see a company realize the fact that not everyone who buys an alternative energy vehicle is going to be happy with a boring driving experience. But seriously... that price tag.
One would hope that their investment in battery manufacturing precipitates a drop in the cost of their vehicles.

06-26-2009, 01:05 PM	#1
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	it lives.......... and Big O is still doling out $ like candy Originally Posted by Mercury News Tesla locks up $465 million in federal loans, will build battery facility in Bay Area By Patrick May Mercury News Posted: 06/23/2009 06:25:43 PM PDT Updated: 06/25/2009 03:17:04 AM PDT With Tuesday's announcement of a $465 million federal loan to jump-start production of fuel-efficient cars, San Carlos' Tesla Motors ensured its survival and helped raise the Bay Area's stature as a hotbed of green innovation. "Tesla's success is our success," said Nanci Klein of San Jose's Office of Economic Development. And Tesla's decision to spend some of that money to open a $100 million advanced battery and powertrain manufacturing facility in the Bay Area — whose location will probably be announced next month — will "allow our local companies to engage even more with Tesla as they ramp up. We're ecstatic." Privately held Tesla, maker of the all-electric Roadster, has been working More auto news with the Department of Energy for two years to lock up the funding. While its share pales compared with the $5.9 billion going to Ford Motor and the $1.6 billion to Nissan North America, the money green-lights Tesla's plans for the battery facility as well as an assembly plant in Southern California where it will produce its next car, the Model S. This next-generation zero-emission sedan will go into production in late 2011. During a conference call Tuesday, Chairman Elon Musk said the loan will help Tesla turn a profit by next month. "We don't need to raise more money; we may choose to, but we're not out there beating the bushes to find other investors." And he predicted "the entire automotive market will eventually become fully electric, mark my word. It's just a question of how long." Asked why he was so sure, Musk offered Tesla's recent sales as proof. "We sold 1,000 cars in a month and a half without having the money secured from the DOE, in the worst economy since the Great Depression, and with no advertising. What more do you need?" The recession and credit crunch had hampered Tesla's access to cash, and getting the loan was considered crucial to its survival, even after the company announced in May that German automaker Daimler had acquired an equity stake of nearly 10 percent in the electric-car concern. "It was either live or die," said Jim Hossack, an analyst with the AutoPacific consultancy in Tustin who called Tuesday's announcement "a turning point for the industry, just as big or bigger than Tesla's deal with Daimler. That gave them credibility and technical resources, and this government support is vital to them as well." In fact, Tesla's strategic partnership with Daimler was a key factor in the Energy Department's decision to lend it money. In a statement, Energy Secretary Steven Chu applauded Tesla's focus on accelerating "production of fuel-efficient vehicles in America. These investments will come back to our country many times over, by creating new jobs, reducing our dependence on oil, and reducing our greenhouse gas emissions." Once dubbed "the poster child of green mobility," Tesla has been a leader in the race to make the electric car a reality, creating the first such vehicle, the Roadster, to travel more than 200 miles between charges. Next up: the Model S, a sedan the company hopes will have mass-market appeal that will sell for about $45,000. That's about half the price of the high-performance Roadster. Last year, Tesla announced it would build a 500-worker assembly plant in San Jose, but then said in January that it would instead find an existing building to retrofit and would be looking for a new location. Musk said Tuesday the company would announce "probably next month" the Bay Area location of its new powertrain manufacturing plant, where 650 employees will produce battery packs, chargers, motors and power electronics modules — the "brains" of an electric vehicle — for both Tesla vehicles and those of other automakers. Battery pack production will begin in 2011, reaching about 10,000 packs by 2012 and 30,000 in 2013, the company said. And while it would have been nice to land the 1,000-worker assembly plant here as well, San Jose's Klein said, "The powertrain is the heart of this technology, and that's what's most important to have in Silicon Valley." Automobile analyst Philip Gott with IHS Global Insight welcomed Tuesday's announcement, but he wondered whether a niche company like Tesla, despite its innovative prowess, was the best place to put government money. He spoke from China, where the government was now teaming up with industry to try to dominate electric-vehicle technology. "This will be a very tough global race for technological superiority over the next decade," he said. "It's about time we got started. But with all due respect to Tesla, and I admire their entrepreneurial zeal and perseverance, my view is their business model works only in a very specialized premium market. And I wonder if our tax money would be better spent on a more mainstream player." __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

06-26-2009, 01:51 PM	#3
goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	It is a drop in the bucket compared to the $25+ billion set aside for loans to promote alternative fuel vehicles. Hell, at least this money is going to a company based in America, unlike the $1.6 billion that is being loaned to Nissan North America to build a factory. The flip side is Nissan will most likely pay back their loan. I suspect the loan to Tesla will need to be written off once they declare bankruptcy in 5-10 years. To put it in perspective though, I doubt Toyota could have developed the Prius if not for a loan from the Japanese government that I believe was estimated at $9 billion.

06-26-2009, 02:09 PM	#5
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Have they even sold any of those $100K impractical cars yet? The only people who would buy them are rich sports car buffs who already have 2-3 other cars. I would rather see this money going directly to battery companies, not auto companies.

06-26-2009, 02:20 PM	#6
goof2 AMA Supersport Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,756	One side issue, what dipshit decides to build a battery factory in the SF bay area? With their stringent environmental regulations, high labor costs, high property costs, and (I'm guessing) high tax rates that would be the last place I would want any factory, much less a battery factory. I would be concerned about any company that makes this kind of business decision.