charge thieves w/ dog's death?

[RACER X]

so remember a bit back in FLA. dude ran from cops, cop crashed died, dude was charged w/ his death and convicted and is in jail.

well this case, a police dog died in pursuit of some thieves, i think a snake got him , and it's not fully investigated yet.


do you think it'll run the same course as runner dude?

police dogs are essentially police personnal as far as i knew.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/22044552/detail.html

Police Dog Dies During Search
Cause Of Death Not Yet Known

POSTED: Wednesday, December 23, 2009
UPDATED: 10:06 am CST December 23, 2009

HOUSTON -- A police dog died while searching for home invasion suspects in north Houston, KPRC Local 2 reported Wednesday.




Harris County Precinct 4 deputy constables said several people broke into a home on Sterling Stone at Stone Bluff Tuesday night.

Deputies caught one person, but two others ran into some nearby woods.

Dogs were brought in to search for the suspects. During the search, one of the dogs, a 5-year-old named Bleck, was found dead.

Officials are not yet sure how the dog died.

"We searched for the suspects and lost them, unfortunately. Somewhere in the process, our canine in a very thick wood-line succumbed to an unknown injury," said Capt. Wally Wieghat of the Harris County Precinct 4 Constable's Office.

The dog showed no signs of trauma. A necropsy will be conducted to determine the cause of the death of the Czech-German Shepherd mix.

Wieghat said the dog's handler is taking the death very hard.

The two home invasion suspects escaped.

[Tmall]

Stupid law. If the policeman slips into traffic while he is giving you a ticket, should you be responsible?


Its a peril of the job.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Stupid law. If the policeman slips into traffic while he is giving you a ticket, should you be responsible?


Its a peril of the job.

If he slips into traffic going by while giving you a ticket, that's his own issue but if he's chasing you on foot because you are fleeing from the scene of a robbery and he gets hit by a car, are you still saying that it isn't the fault of the person being chased? I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your reasoning. If you run from the cops and a cop gets injured, it's your fault because you're running.

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

If he slips into traffic going by while giving you a ticket, that's his own issue but if he's chasing you on foot because you are fleeing from the scene of a robbery and he gets hit by a car, are you still saying that it isn't the fault of the person being chased? I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your reasoning. If you run from the cops and a cop gets injured, it's your fault because you're running.

I disagree 100%. The law in this case is unjust. Yes, the perp is responsible for running. And the charge of felony fleeing or evading should be laid. But, there are so many variables that it is beyond retarded to think you should be held responsible for somebody else's actions.

If the cop slipped in dog poo and kicked a baby giving it brain damage, are you responsible? What if he has a heart attack? What if he drops his pistol and it discharges, are you responsible?

I'm not saying you should have a get out of jail free card, but I am saying the police are big grown men. THEY should be responsible for their actions. If you can't chase somebody down while ensuring you're keeping the public safe, then you shouldn't be chasing people.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by Tmall

I disagree 100%. The law in this case is unjust. Yes, the perp is responsible for running. And the charge of felony fleeing or evading should be laid. But, there are so many variables that it is beyond retarded to think you should be held responsible for somebody else's actions.

If the cop slipped in dog poo and kicked a baby giving it brain damage, are you responsible? What if he has a heart attack? What if he drops his pistol and it discharges, are you responsible?

I'm not saying you should have a get out of jail free card, but I am saying the police are big grown men. THEY should be responsible for their actions. If you can't chase somebody down while ensuring you're keeping the public safe, then you shouldn't be chasing people.

I would agree with Tmall, unless something you do directly(throw something at the officer, shoot at the officer, etc) to hurt them, the perp should not be responsible.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

I would agree with Tmall, unless something you do directly(throw something at the officer, shoot at the officer, etc) to hurt them, the perp should not be responsible.

I think it's the most common-sense apportionment of blame and responsibility.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

If he slips into traffic going by while giving you a ticket, that's his own issue but if he's chasing you on foot because you are fleeing from the scene of a robbery and he gets hit by a car, are you still saying that it isn't the fault of the person being chased? I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your reasoning. If you run from the cops and a cop gets injured, it's your fault because you're running.

I agree with Tmall....unless the robber intentionally caused the harm, it's the peril of the job so to say...

And I don't agree on the police dog thing at all. If you kill a dog it is still a dog. There are no dogs covered by the Constitution of the United States. Stupidest law I know to treat a dog as a human being (and I don't care how much training it had).

[Smittie61984]

If the dog was killed by a snake bite or even an aortic dissection due to the stress of running then I wouldn't put the perp at fault. If they find trauma on the dog that can be attributed to the perp then nail him.

As for charging them the same thing as assaulting a police officer (or even one step down) I can't agree with. I love dogs more than anything (especially humans), but I would look at a police dog as a peice of government property more than an officer.

Ideally the home owner would have been home and able to shoot the suspect dead right there (well after a half hour or so of bleeding through their stomach from a gut shot).

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Stupid law. If the policeman slips into traffic while he is giving you a ticket, should you be responsible?


Its a peril of the job.

The concept of "felony murder" isn't necessarily a stupid law. The concept is quite sound. If it could be foreseen that a particular crime MIGHT REASONABLY result in a death, and a death occurs during the commission of the crime, then the perpetrator is responsible for that death.

The example that is most frequently used is as follows: Two criminals rob a bank. During the course of that robbery, one of the thieves is shot and killed by a bank guard. By felony murder statutes, the surviving criminal is responsible for the death of his partner.

While a police dog is generally considered an officer for the purposes of crimes committed against it, and while flight from police is one of the crimes for which felony murder statutes apply in Florida, I doubt that this would survive a judges sniff test.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

The example that is most frequently used is as follows: Two criminals rob a bank. During the course of that robbery, one of the thieves is shot and killed by a bank guard. By felony murder statutes, the surviving criminal is responsible for the death of his partner.

Why would he be held responsible for murder. It was not premeditated by anyone. If anything the Bank Guard should get a raise, a handshake and a rolex, and the other robber should get an armed robbery charge.