Toyota owners

pauldun170 · 02-04-2010, 11:20 AM

So if your gas pedal was made by the CTS Corporation you will eventually die as their poorly designed gas pedal is the cause of all the "unintended acceleration" because wear causes parts to stick. Unfortunately, Toyota's shim fix does not actually "fix" the problem. It just delays it's onset.

If your gas pedal is made by Denso. You are fine.

To sum up.
Denso (Made in Japan) pedal = good
CTS (CTS is American) pedal = death

Keep in mind that CTS corp supplies a couple of auto manufacturers.

Also...Prius owners and your brake problem.
Computer gets all confused when you hit some ice. Its a software issue.
Toyota has not issued a recall yet because Toyota execs feel that the majority of Prius owners who are effected are complete deutschebags and simply had it coming.

Rider · 02-04-2010, 11:28 AM

How do you know what models has which one. I am looking at replacing the GMC with a Sequoia this summer.

pauldun170 · 02-04-2010, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rider

How do you know what models has which one. I am looking at replacing the GMC with a Sequoia this summer.

If its built in the US = CTS, built in Japan = Denso

Models affected
2009-'10 RAV4;
2009-'10 Corolla;
2009-'10 Matrix;
2005-'10 Avalon;
certain 2007-'10 Camrys;
2010 Highlander;
2007-'10 Tundra; and
2008-'10 Sequoia.

Homeslice · 02-04-2010, 08:37 PM

Gotta love how the media is falling all over themselves trying to look like they are so concerned with their viewers' safety. Where is the beatoff smiley on this board.

The average 20+ year old car has about the same odds of developing a sticky gas pedal as one of the recalled Toyotas. And I don't see people abandoning their 20 year old car just because of that remote possibility.

CrazyKell · 02-04-2010, 09:14 PM

:beatoff:

101lifts2 · 02-05-2010, 02:17 AM

IMO...it's not the pedal...rather the pedal design.

When you push an accelerator pedal, it doesn't return with as much force as before. If it did, you would have a hard time controlling the throttle. Therefore, there is a hysterisis going on. This is the reason why Toyota is putting a piece of metal behind the pedal to limit how far the pedal can go on the hysterisis curve (meaning more force on the return stroke).

Honestly, I don't think Toyota knows what is going on, but I also don't think these pedals are defective. They could be spec'd out incorrectly.

Denso pedals FWIW, uses a different hysterisis approach.

101lifts2 · 02-05-2010, 02:13 AM

CTS is challenging some of Toyota’s claims:

“CTS Corp. of Elkhart, Ind., said in a statement that it had “deep concern that there is widespread confusion and incorrect information” about its products linked to the sudden-acceleration issue.

“The problem of sudden unintended acceleration has been reported to have existed in some Lexus vehicles and Toyota vehicles going back to 1999, when CTS did not even make this product for any customer,” the company said.

Toyota began using CTS-made pedals in the 2005 model year.

On Jan. 21, Toyota told federal regulators that CTS pedals were susceptible to moisture and could stick, forcing the recall of 2.3 million cars and trucks. CTS acknowledged that a tiny number of pedals had a rare condition that could cause a slow return to idle position, but it denied that this condition could cause unintended acceleration and said that it knew of no accidents or injuries caused by the issue.”

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“The automaker also uses pedals supplied by Denso Corp., a Japanese company with North American headquarters in suburban Detroit, but has said those do not appear to be defective.

However, the Times review of federal safety records shows several instances of complaints of stuck pedals on vehicles built in Japan, which Toyota has said are not subject to the recall. For example, one complaint, filed two years ago, told of a 2007 Japanese-built Camry in Maryland with a pedal that “stuck to the floor.’”

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...45,print.story

was92v · 02-05-2010, 08:37 AM

I had a car once that would floor the gas pedal. It is a very strange feeling the first few times it happens. When the gas pedal drops away from your foot and pins itself to the floor
it is Very exciting! This design probably helped the idea of cable operated throttles.

pauldun170 · 02-05-2010, 02:24 PM

Papa_Complex · 02-09-2010, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauldun170

Toyota has not issued a recall yet because Toyota execs feel that the majority of Prius owners who are effected are complete deutschebags and simply had it coming.

If they were deutschbags, they'd have bought Beemers.

02-05-2010, 02:17 AM	#6
101lifts2 WSB Champion Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Moto: 2009 Kawi ZX6R Posts: 5,570	IMO...it's not the pedal...rather the pedal design. When you push an accelerator pedal, it doesn't return with as much force as before. If it did, you would have a hard time controlling the throttle. Therefore, there is a hysterisis going on. This is the reason why Toyota is putting a piece of metal behind the pedal to limit how far the pedal can go on the hysterisis curve (meaning more force on the return stroke). Honestly, I don't think Toyota knows what is going on, but I also don't think these pedals are defective. They could be spec'd out incorrectly. Denso pedals FWIW, uses a different hysterisis approach. __________________ Train Hard Ron Paul - 2012 Mark of Excellence GM

02-05-2010, 02:13 AM	#7
101lifts2 WSB Champion Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Moto: 2009 Kawi ZX6R Posts: 5,570	CTS is challenging some of Toyota’s claims: “CTS Corp. of Elkhart, Ind., said in a statement that it had “deep concern that there is widespread confusion and incorrect information” about its products linked to the sudden-acceleration issue. “The problem of sudden unintended acceleration has been reported to have existed in some Lexus vehicles and Toyota vehicles going back to 1999, when CTS did not even make this product for any customer,” the company said. Toyota began using CTS-made pedals in the 2005 model year. On Jan. 21, Toyota told federal regulators that CTS pedals were susceptible to moisture and could stick, forcing the recall of 2.3 million cars and trucks. CTS acknowledged that a tiny number of pedals had a rare condition that could cause a slow return to idle position, but it denied that this condition could cause unintended acceleration and said that it knew of no accidents or injuries caused by the issue.” ….. “The automaker also uses pedals supplied by Denso Corp., a Japanese company with North American headquarters in suburban Detroit, but has said those do not appear to be defective. However, the Times review of federal safety records shows several instances of complaints of stuck pedals on vehicles built in Japan, which Toyota has said are not subject to the recall. For example, one complaint, filed two years ago, told of a 2007 Japanese-built Camry in Maryland with a pedal that “stuck to the floor.’” http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...45,print.story __________________ Train Hard Ron Paul - 2012 Mark of Excellence GM

02-04-2010, 11:28 AM	#2
Rider Moto GP Star Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,156	How do you know what models has which one. I am looking at replacing the GMC with a Sequoia this summer.

02-04-2010, 08:37 PM	#4
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	Gotta love how the media is falling all over themselves trying to look like they are so concerned with their viewers' safety. Where is the beatoff smiley on this board. The average 20+ year old car has about the same odds of developing a sticky gas pedal as one of the recalled Toyotas. And I don't see people abandoning their 20 year old car just because of that remote possibility.

02-04-2010, 09:14 PM	#5
CrazyKell Vrooom Join Date: Nov 2008 Moto: 06 ZX6R Posts: 4,427	:beatoff:

02-05-2010, 08:37 AM	#8
was92v Nowhere Man Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	I had a car once that would floor the gas pedal. It is a very strange feeling the first few times it happens. When the gas pedal drops away from your foot and pins itself to the floor it is Very exciting! This design probably helped the idea of cable operated throttles.