Meet the "Kill team" clASS acts.

[Archren]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

what makes you look bad isn't the few bad apples; it's the upper ranks covering it up.

Point. Neither one helps matters.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

Make an example out of them to whatever other pyschopaths are in our armed forces over there....and try to restore some credibility/faith with those Afghanis who haven't already completely written us off as the hypocritical lying shitbags that we are.

Meh. Let's talk about credibility and faith where Afghans are concerned...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending soldiers who murder people in cold blood. All I'm saying is "whatever other psychopaths are in our armed forces over there" probably have more in common with the average native Afghan than the rest. After seeing how they treat their own children, wives, and neighbors, I'm frankly surprised these soldiers weren't given heroes' welcomes by the locals.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Meh. Let's talk about credibility and faith where Afghans are concerned...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending soldiers who murder people in cold blood. All I'm saying is "whatever other psychopaths are in our armed forces over there" probably have more in common with the average native Afghan than the rest. After seeing how they treat their own children, wives, and neighbors, I'm frankly surprised these soldiers weren't given heroes' welcomes by the locals.

The only thing that unites Afghanis is a threat from outside. People think that the Mujahideen was some kind of cohesive group but they were really a bunch of political and cultural enemies, united by "the struggle" against the Soviets. Ultimately the Taliban grew out of this.

If an outsider shoots the kid of someone's worst enemy, that enemy would gladly kill the outsider.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

The only thing that unites Afghanis is a threat from outside. People think that the Mujahideen was some kind of cohesive group but they were really a bunch of political and cultural enemies, united by "the struggle" against the Soviets. Ultimately the Taliban grew out of this.

If an outsider shoots the kid of someone's worst enemy, that enemy would gladly kill the outsider.

That is the propaganda of pashtunwali, yes. But if that were truly the case, Al-Qaeda would never have had a foothold there. The reality is that the only thing that unites Afghans is greed and deceit. The Taliban didn't just grow or happen in response to civil unrest, as they love to claim. I'm fairly sure, if the real history was ever revealed, you'd see a lot more influence from "hated outsiders" like Pakistan and Al-Qaeda themselves.

My brother and I against my cousin, my brother and our cousin against the neighbor, and all of us against the foreigner. Unless homeboy brought cash, then I'm straight gankin' my cousin and my brother better watch his back.

[Papa_Complex]

... and then shivving the outsider in the back, once you've got the money, because he's an outsider

[KSGregman]

We taught them well.....

Hell yeah, homes....we got your back...go fuck those Russians up....whatever they tear up, we'll rebuild when it's over.....we got you man...now go...rip those fuckers up.

The Russians left and we punked their asses HARD....just up and left....sorry about your pad being all fucked up, homes....but we gotta roll.....later, bitches.

We fucked them....and they are doing the natural thing and fucking us right back.

[udman]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

Hell yeah, homes....we got your back...go fuck those Russians up....whatever they tear up, we'll rebuild when it's over.....we got you man...now go...rip those fuckers up.

The Russians left and we punked their asses HARD....just up and left....sorry about your pad being all fucked up, homes....but we gotta roll.....later, bitches.

Internet gangster speak without a single "z". Actually that is quite impressive.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

We taught them well.....

Hell yeah, homes....we got your back...go fuck those Russians up....whatever they tear up, we'll rebuild when it's over.....we got you man...now go...rip those fuckers up.

The Russians left and we punked their asses HARD....just up and left....sorry about your pad being all fucked up, homes....but we gotta roll.....later, bitches.

We fucked them....and they are doing the natural thing and fucking us right back.

Please. Take that tired refrain back to Iraq. Afghanistan was fucked up long before they even laid eyes on a western European.

But if you must blame someone in recent history, blame the Soviets. Afghanistan was well on its way to being a modern, working country in the 70's before the Soviets showed up to enlighten them with world socialism and lines for toilet paper.

By the way, that progress that the Soviets ground to a screeching halt was thanks in large part to American money. I lost count of how many times I heard "Yeah, that school was built by us back in the 70's. Then the Taliban burned it down after the Soviets left." Not just foreign aid, corporate investment too. But neither socialists, nor communists, nor Islamic fundamentalists have any use for corporate investment.

Foreign aid, on the other hand...

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

... and then shivving the outsider in the back, once you've got the money, because he's an outsider

More accurately (in the case of the US), extort more money from the outsider for you gankin' your cousin and your brother even though they know you did the gankin',* then shiv, etc.



* Just call it saz and they'll totally buy into it...

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Please. Take that tired refrain back to Iraq. Afghanistan was fucked up long before they even laid eyes on a western European.

I don't disagree with you about a tribalized "country" being "fucked up" by Western standards.....apparently where we do disagree is in the fact that we lied to them. We used them. And they remember.

It's a pattern that repeats itself in a lot of places in the world.....Iran comes to mind. We stole from them (you'd be stunned to hear that it was all about oil, I'm sure)...installed an illegitimate ruler over them....and they eventually rebelled and overthrew the Shah.....and they REMEMBER. That part of the history is inconvenient to retell though....so instead we get a steady diet of "those crazy Iranians hate our Western way of life...they are crazy Shia muslims!!"

No...they hate us for very good reasons.