Biggest BitTorrent Downloading Case in U.S. History Targets 23,000 Defendants

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

You don't have copyright or patent protections in Canada? You are right, I don't understand. I don't live in Canada and I don't believe this set of prosecutions is in Canada. But instead of trying to help me understand or educate me, instead posters on this thread are just acting like snarky aholes

Of course we have copyright protection but for corporations it's preemptive, whereas us peons with intellectual property have to sue. Down there it doesn't seem all that different with the government going to bat for the people who need no assistance, while the regular guy has to fight for what he deserves.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

So you should clearly understand the need to protect personal and intellectual property.

I don't understand what the "levy" on recording media has to do with the theft of intellectual property.

This thread is about whether it is fair for people to pirate copyrighted material. If people are using your work without your permission or paying you royalties, you ought to feel the way I do that it is illegal and the thieves should be prosecuted.

Explain to me what that has to do with paying a surcharge on blank media like CD/DVD.

Bla bla bla. I sure as fuck dont feel sorry for multi-billion dollar movie studios. As a matter of fact, until they bring down the price of movie tickets, Blu-rays and DVD's, I think EVERYONE should pirate everything until they get the picture.

The music industry is slowly starting to get the idea, and altering and improving their online sales models. Now if the gaming and movie industries would start doing the same, perhaps i'd have a little more empathy for them. As it is, I dont give a fuck about their intellectual properties. As long as they are charging 12-15$ to see a movie, i'll continue to pirate those that I dont deem worthy of that price.

Gaming is another story, because I cant play online games with pirated copies, so I buy most them, and theres also companies I like to support, like Valve. But I have no pity on huge companies like EA and Activision, with their ridiculously high pricing models for games and downloadable content, and will continue to pirate their single player games until they come around and realize they are ripping people off. I refuse pay 15$ for 3 multiplayer maps when I have already paid 60$ for the game itself. Especially when other companies like Valve, CD Projekt, and other smaller studios can afford to give that DLC away for free.

Its pure greed. So don't come in here on your moral high horse and expect us to give a fuck about the intellectual properties of greedy corporations.

[fujimoh]

So you think it is OK to rip off Papa Complex, since he is part of that evil corporation? I don't think he is some kind of mega millionaire, but people are ripping off his work without paying him. That's OK with you?

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

So you think it is OK to rip off Papa Complex, since he is part of that evil corporation? I don't think he is some kind of mega millionaire, but people are ripping off his work without paying him. That's OK with you?

Did you read anything Papa Complex wrote? I don't think so....

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Tmall

Did you read anything Papa Complex wrote? I don't think so....

Crusade. Tunnel. Etc

[anthonyk]

Just so I make sure I'm up to speed, it's cool to steal from big corporations (for various reasons on either side of the border)?

But still not cool to steal from, say, your friendly local trackday photog?

Nobody's suggesting that the digital nature of the stuff they're stealing makes a difference, are they?

(BTW, that levy on blank media to offset piracy is f'ed up. Yeesh.)

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Particle Man

Crusade. Tunnel. Etc

A bit different from the usual sort of comment here.

"Hot dog. Hallway. Etc."

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

Just so I make sure I'm up to speed, it's cool to steal from big corporations (for various reasons on either side of the border)?

But still not cool to steal from, say, your friendly local trackday photog?

Nobody's suggesting that the digital nature of the stuff they're stealing makes a difference, are they?

(BTW, that levy on blank media to offset piracy is f'ed up. Yeesh.)

They're pushing to extend it to flash media also so I'll likely get to pay both while originally making my own intellectual property AND while sending it to clients, without gaining the benefit of it myself.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by fujimoh

So you think it is OK to rip off Papa Complex, since he is part of that evil corporation? I don't think he is some kind of mega millionaire, but people are ripping off his work without paying him. That's OK with you?

Ummm, how is Papa Complex a corporation? He's a man with a small side business trying to make a decent living. He is not, however, overcharging people for garbage and making millions off them. Guys like him are the ones I have empathy for, as they are trying to get by.

Im sorry you cant understand these simple concepts.

[fujimoh]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Ummm, how is Papa Complex a corporation? He's a man with a small side business trying to make a decent living. He is not, however, overcharging people for garbage and making millions off them. Guys like him are the ones I have empathy for, as they are trying to get by.

Im sorry you cant understand these simple concepts.

I do understand it. You are right, it is a simple concept you don't seem to understand. When you are illegally downloading anything without paying for it, how do YOU know who owns the material? How do you know if you are ripping off a mega corp like Sony or a one man show like Popa?

The concept is really simple. When you illegally download, you are stealing. Why should it matter if you are stealing from Microsoft or Popa Complex?

Stealing is stealing, doesn't matter if it is music or video download, or the helmet and jacket off your parked motorcycle, theft is theft, if you get caught, you should be punished.