what, no more strip clubs w/ govt' $, WTF!!!

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

I disagree. It is demonizing the poor. This guy is playing on emotions, rather than facts. Your taxes are too high. My taxes are too high. Solution: blame the poor.

Our taxes aren't too high because X% of welfare recipients blow some of their (our) money on hookers and booze. They're too high, because our government refuses to get its collective shit together. This is just a distraction from the issues politicians don't want to talk about, a little red meat to toss to the torch and pitch fork crowd. Its bullshit, and honestly, I'm surprised you're falling for it.

Show me a cost/benefit analysis, that says this legislation will lower my taxes, and I'll be all over it. Until then, Welfare Bob can slurp vodka out of stripper's navels all day, for all the fuck I care.

JC

You rock.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Assuming, in a magical world, that these new programs could actually stop people from spending it on beer, entertainment, etc ......I'd be all for it.

Why?

People on welfare owe us taxpayers a life devoid of pleasure? What, they're not miserable enough for you already?

JC

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Why?

People on welfare owe us taxpayers a life devoid of pleasure? What, they're not miserable enough for you already?

JC

They knew the rules when they took the checks

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Why?

People on welfare owe us taxpayers a life devoid of pleasure? What, they're not miserable enough for you already?

JC

I think quite a few people on welfare have proven very publicly that they're not miserable at all. But to answer your first question, I believe people on welfare owe the taxpayers a genuine best effort to get off welfare as soon as possible.

I don't care if they go to a strip club, ball game, freaking Carribean cruise, or their local street walker. I just don't want them using welfare money on those things. Sure, better restrictions won't save us tax money. Welfare is a drop in the bucket in the first place, even if we could save money on it. It's the goddamn principle. I get just as outraged hearing about rich congressmen abusing tax money, and that's generally a drop in the bucket too (when used for things like coke parties or hiding dead hookers, or whatever it is congressmen do for fun these days).

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

Why?

People on welfare owe us taxpayers a life devoid of pleasure? What, they're not miserable enough for you already?

JC

Um... yes.

If you can afford those things, you shouldn't be on welfare... Those are not necessities to sustain life and yet they can afford things like that, things that people who bust their ass working shitty jobs cannot afford... and they aren't doing shit for it? Yes I have a big fucking problem with that. What's the motivation to get off of welfare?

Perhaps I'm jaded... Working in call centers will do that.

I cannot tell you how many times I've had people request hours cuts or quit the job because 'they were making too much money so they're benefits would be cut'... Hell, I've sat through unemployment hearings in which the former rep has said they quit or got fired on purpose to ensure their benefits wouldn't be cut or so that they could get additional benefits. I've heard these motherfuckers BRAGGING about having their bills paid by the government allowing them to have extra cash to buy bags of weed and shots at the bar...

Meanwhile, there were people there who were genuinely struggling to get by and doing the EXACT opposite...

These were the people who busted their asses, worked as many hours as possible, and were ALWAYS concerned about their jobs... They didn't have money for iPhones, bags of weed, or to go out to eat and get drunk every night... they rode the bus, didn't have cell phones, and shopped at the thrift stores... However, they were busting their ass to make themselves a better life...

The next time I see someone swiping their EBT card while talking on the latest iPhone in the checkout line, I'm going to think of this thread... I guess people deserve a free fucking ride... A life devoid of pleasure? Pahfuckinglease... Welfare is not for allowing people to have whatever the fuck their little hearts desire... it's to keep people alive and give them a chance to get their shit in order.

[pauldun170]

http://anfdata.urban.org/databooks/D...10%20FINAL.pdf
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=936

I'm going to just toss this out there...
If you qualify for TANF you can't afford "entertainment".
If you spend on "entertainment" then you are forgoing things like "food".

Also, TANF recipients can only collect for a fixed amount of time but typically most recipients do not collect for long.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Um... yes.

If you can afford those things, you shouldn't be on welfare... Those are not necessities to sustain life and yet they can afford things like that, things that people who bust their ass working shitty jobs cannot afford... and they aren't doing shit for it? Yes I have a big fucking problem with that. What's the motivation to get off of welfare?

Perhaps I'm jaded... Working in call centers will do that.

I cannot tell you how many times I've had people request hours cuts or quit the job because 'they were making too much money so they're benefits would be cut'... Hell, I've sat through unemployment hearings in which the former rep has said they quit or got fired on purpose to ensure their benefits wouldn't be cut or so that they could get additional benefits. I've heard these motherfuckers BRAGGING about having their bills paid by the government allowing them to have extra cash to buy bags of weed and shots at the bar...

Meanwhile, there were people there who were genuinely struggling to get by and doing the EXACT opposite...

These were the people who busted their asses, worked as many hours as possible, and were ALWAYS concerned about their jobs... They didn't have money for iPhones, bags of weed, or to go out to eat and get drunk every night... they rode the bus, didn't have cell phones, and shopped at the thrift stores... However, they were busting their ass to make themselves a better life...

The next time I see someone swiping their EBT card while talking on the latest iPhone in the checkout line, I'm going to think of this thread... I guess people deserve a free fucking ride... A life devoid of pleasure? Pahfuckinglease... Welfare is not for allowing people to have whatever the fuck their little hearts desire... it's to keep people alive and give them a chance to get their shit in order.

U mad bro?

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

U mad bro?

Absolutely. I hate hearing garbage about these people deserving something that others who are out their busting their ass cannot get.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Um... yes.

If you can afford those things, you shouldn't be on welfare... Those are not necessities to sustain life and yet they can afford things like that, things that people who bust their ass working shitty jobs cannot afford... and they aren't doing shit for it? Yes I have a big fucking problem with that. What's the motivation to get off of welfare?

Perhaps I'm jaded... Working in call centers will do that.

I cannot tell you how many times I've had people request hours cuts or quit the job because 'they were making too much money so they're benefits would be cut'... Hell, I've sat through unemployment hearings in which the former rep has said they quit or got fired on purpose to ensure their benefits wouldn't be cut or so that they could get additional benefits. I've heard these motherfuckers BRAGGING about having their bills paid by the government allowing them to have extra cash to buy bags of weed and shots at the bar...

Meanwhile, there were people there who were genuinely struggling to get by and doing the EXACT opposite...

These were the people who busted their asses, worked as many hours as possible, and were ALWAYS concerned about their jobs... They didn't have money for iPhones, bags of weed, or to go out to eat and get drunk every night... they rode the bus, didn't have cell phones, and shopped at the thrift stores... However, they were busting their ass to make themselves a better life...

The next time I see someone swiping their EBT card while talking on the latest iPhone in the checkout line, I'm going to think of this thread... I guess people deserve a free fucking ride... A life devoid of pleasure? Pahfuckinglease... Welfare is not for allowing people to have whatever the fuck their little hearts desire... it's to keep people alive and give them a chance to get their shit in order.