Which scenario breeds the better rider?

[the chi]

Originally Posted by FT BSTRD

The MSF doesn't make you a "good" rider any more than passing your driver's test makes you a "good" driver.

Experience MUST be gained in the real world. That said, I do believe that a training course provides a better foundation to build those skills on than none at all.

Totally Agree with this statement.

FTR, not all states allow the insurance discounts for MSF or Drivers Ed, and I still couldnt ride a box if you held a gun to my head, and Ive been riding a few years now. (I think I can still do everything else I learned, but the box kicks my ass. )