Health Care..what do you think?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by Apoc

So this is your example of how your system is better?

Artard... I never said our system was better. Take that chip off your shoulder, YEESH!!!

My father died of cancer partially because he was mis-diagnosed with...high blood pressure! It wasn't until 6 months later that they realized that he had a tumor growing on his jugular. I myself have been grossly misdiagnosed by the medical profession in this country. I'm sorry guys but I don't trust doctors even a little bit. AFAIK they are all a bunch of money grubbing quacks that don't have any clue what they are talking about half the time! Seriously. Heck, maybe putting them all on a salaries would be a good thing as it might slow them down and allow them to actually spend some fucking time with patients instead of running them through an assembly line.

[CrazyKell]

Originally Posted by tommymac

I think youre getting a lil ahead of yourself too. Grantred things arent the best here but its far from being last either.

I've never commented on your system. I have very little knowledge of it save for a friend wrecking at the Gap and my brother having a small cut stitched up when we were on vacation.

I just find it so strange that a lot of you staunchly defend a system, put down one you know very little about, and for what? Your system has major faults and doesn't work for a lot of people (according to what's been posted in this thread). Odd.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

I've never commented on your system. I have very little knowledge of it save for a friend wrecking at the Gap and my brother having a small cut stitched up when we were on vacation.

I just find it so strange that a lot of you staunchly defend a system, put down one you know very little about, and for what? Your system has major faults and doesn't work for a lot of people (according to what's been posted in this thread). Odd.

I havent put down the canadian system since i know little to nothing about it and have readily admitted ours needs work and thats comming from someone who is in the middle of all of it. I think the problem here is too many special interests at stake between the drug and insurance companies. Theyre happy because theyre getting rich off of the current system.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

I've never commented on your system. I have very little knowledge of it save for a friend wrecking at the Gap and my brother having a small cut stitched up when we were on vacation.

I just find it so strange that a lot of you staunchly defend a system, put down one you know very little about, and for what? Your system has major faults and doesn't work for a lot of people (according to what's been posted in this thread). Odd.

I don't know that it's about defending the system. We know the system is fucked up. It's about having a known evil vs. having an unknown evil. We know the current pitfalls and the ways to work around them - with the new plan, not only do we not really know what evils we'll have to deal with, we get to pay for everyone else to have it too

[Tmall]

Don't you already pay for those who can't afford coverage? Do you think the hospital and insurance companies absorb that?

At least this way everybody pays for it..

[marko138]

Originally Posted by tommymac

I havent put down the canadian system since i know little to nothing about it and have readily admitted ours needs work and thats comming from someone who is in the middle of all of it. I think the problem here is too many special interests at stake between the drug and insurance companies. Theyre happy because theyre getting rich off of the current system.

The bottom line is Big Biz is in the pocket of the Government. A universal healthcare system in the United States will reflect that for sure. Look at every other instance of the Feds running something. It's ALWAYS about money and who WILL get rich, and SOMEONE will get rich.

[tommymac]

Originally Posted by marko138

The bottom line is Big Biz is in the pocket of the Government. A universal healthcare system in the United States will reflect that for sure. Look at every other instance of the Feds running something. It's ALWAYS about money and who WILL get rich, and SOMEONE will get rich.

I think the thing is now a lot of guys already are rich and want to keep it that way. If it changes the gravy train may end for some.

Tom

[marko138]

Originally Posted by tommymac

I think the thing is now a lot of guys already are rich and want to keep it that way. If it changes the gravy train may end for some.

Tom

That too.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by CrazyKell

I've never commented on your system. I have very little knowledge of it save for a friend wrecking at the Gap and my brother having a small cut stitched up when we were on vacation.

I just find it so strange that a lot of you staunchly defend a system, put down one you know very little about, and for what? Your system has major faults and doesn't work for a lot of people (according to what's been posted in this thread). Odd.

You have never commented on our system outside of saying it is last. Sounds like "putting down one you know very little about". I also haven't seen many people "staunchly defend" our system. My impression is most in this thread have stated it needs work. My complaint is the "work" that is being proposed seems to have more to do with politics than medicine or health insurance.

Every system I am aware of has major faults. The faults in America's system and Canada's system are different. What is rarely discussed is the way in which these faults also contribute to each system's strengths. I think some of the Americans who oppose healthcare reform are concerned that the way in which the faults are fixed will have the side effect of "fixing" the strengths.

As I said before, the debate about Canadian vs. American healthcare is useless except for the intellectual exercise. Even if the reforms that have been proposed are enacted fully the American system will have little similarity to Canada's. Either system may be better, what remains is they will not operate the same anytime soon.

[Tmall]

Yet, ppl are scared of change.

Azoom says she doesn't want to pay for other, but again you're already paying for those who can't afford it.


What exactly are you guys opposed to with the new system?

Everything I've read just seems to be the same talking points.