Health Care..what do you think?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

But the problems in your system are more fundamental than that. Even if you have health care coverage, you had better not get seriously ill. The co-pays, alone, will pauper you.

And here you are being sold a bill of goods about our healthcare system. This is only the case if your insurance is not particularly good. The value of anecdotal evidence is limited, but I know a number of people who have been seriously ill (primarily various cancers as well as some childbirth issues) and it hasn't come close to making any of them broke. Personally I had shoulder surgery requiring 3 months of rehabilitation. Total cost to me for everything was around $400. Sure, it happens to some people, but nowhere close to a majority.

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

The upshot is that each system excels in its own way. Ours can be improved. So can yours.

I agree that our system can be improved, as I have stated repeatedly. I don't think this bill will do it though.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by azoomm

The current package they are drafting will be paid for in a combination of ways...

Do you really believe that?

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

I just got full blood tests done (I do this every 6 months) because I tell my doctor I want them. I don't need a reason.

I think people with high risk homosexual lifestyles, should have to pay more for health care than I do. I don't ask for blood tests for no apparent reason.

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

The 50% of Americans that think it's shit are the same 50% that do not pay any Federal Income taxes. The other 50% (like me) think the system is great. So...why should I be for a nationalized health care plan when the same non-paying 50% will still pay nothing BUT I will end up paying more? Many of these people are illegal Mexicans or entitlement people who don't give a fuck about their health anyways.

50% of Americans think you're an idiot.

Like you, I have no basis for this number. It just sounded right.

Half the population is under 20, over 65, or unemployed. I doubt they all have the same views on health care. I also doubt many of them are "illegal Mexicans". Why would anyone pretend to be a Mexican? It makes no sense.

The reason it makes no sense, is that there are roughly 20 million illegal aliens in the US. There are 308 million people in the US (more or less). Do the math. With or without illegal aliens, our system still needs improvement.

We might as well just blame the Jews. It works great, and it's been a while.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

And here you are being sold a bill of goods about our healthcare system. This is only the case if your insurance is not particularly good. The value of anecdotal evidence is limited, but I know a number of people who have been seriously ill (primarily various cancers as well as some childbirth issues) and it hasn't come close to making any of them broke. Personally I had shoulder surgery requiring 3 months of rehabilitation. Total cost to me for everything was around $400. Sure, it happens to some people, but nowhere close to a majority.

Prior to the credit melt-down, health care costs were your nation's primary cause of insolvency. That points to a pretty large problem. Our problem is excessive wait times for non-critical operations.

I agree that our system can be improved, as I have stated repeatedly. I don't think this bill will do it though.

You may well be right. Even I don't have the patience to read through the whole thing and digest it, and I used to read religious and mythological works for fun.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

We might as well just blame the Jews. It works great, and it's been a while.

JC

I think you're on to something.

I wish I had the spare time to write legislation. I know you put the challenge out a while ago... I remember seeing it in another thread about healthcare.

The tough part is introducing something that is looking out for the village when the village doesn't know what it wants. It's all really based on a lot of "what-if's" which is what insurance has always banked on.

Goof - sorry I didn't do a direct quote over what I paraphrased... sorry if I should believe a forum instead.

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by cbrchick

Cost of transport via Life Flight - $45.00
Cost of hip replacement, CT's, MRI's, Xrays, blood tests - $0
Cost of Trauma team to save your ass post motorcycle accident - $0
Cost for stay in ICU - $0
Cost to have specialists work on you for 2 months - $0
Cost of antibiotics, special infusion devices, external hearts, pace makers, skin grafts, plastic surgery post accident....etc. $0

Ask me how I know.

Originally Posted by RACER X

do you mind paying for pedro and his 10 kids and/or laquanda and her 5?

It's too cold for them here.

But we do have a huge population of Immigrants from other nations, as well as a large population of Natives that do not work.

Comparing population is useless. You also have 10 times the number of tax payers contributing to the system.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

Comparing population is useless. You also have 10 times the number of tax payers contributing to the system.

That's the point.

I'd bet we don't.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

But we do have a huge population of Immigrants from other nations, as well as a large population of Natives that do not work.

from WIKI

"There is no credible information available on illegal immigration in Canada. Estimates range between 35,000 and 120,000 illegal immigrants in Canada.[13] "

~34 mil people, 120,000 illegals
~308 mil, 20mil illegals(according to JC)........

wonder how your system would hold up?

[karl_1052]

Originally Posted by RACER X

from WIKI

"There is no credible information available on illegal immigration in Canada. Estimates range between 35,000 and 120,000 illegal immigrants in Canada.[13] "

~34 mil people, 120,000 illegals
~308 mil, 20mil illegals(according to JC)........

wonder how your system would hold up?

We don't have many illegals, because they become "landed imiigrants" as soon as they hit Canadian soil.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by karl_1052

We don't have many illegals, because they become "landed imiigrants" as soon as they hit Canadian soil.

Or they become "refugee claimants." An ex-girlfriend of mine, years back, used to hate working the Air India planes at the Toronto airport because the toilets would frequently be clogged with burnt passports.