Gun Thread

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNnaBo

I'd prefer a reenactment of something that really happened... There are plenty of stories to choose from... This video is easily countered by a Hollywood version in which the bad guys always miss and the good guy only needed two bullets - both fictional.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

I'd prefer a reenactment of something that really happened... There are plenty of stories to choose from... This video is easily countered by a Hollywood version in which the bad guys always miss and the good guy only needed two bullets - both fictional.

A police study that I read years back, that was based on US statistics, that said most gun battles took place at less than 30 feet, involved both sides emptying their weapons, and only rarely involved gunshot injuries.

And that was a study of trained professionals.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

A police study that I read years back, that was based on US statistics, that said most gun battles took place at less than 30 feet, involved both sides emptying their weapons, and only rarely involved gunshot injuries.

And that was a study of trained professionals.

Yeah, there's a LOT of that. The majority, something like 98%, of defensive gun use cases a shot is never even fired.

[Twobanger]

Most street/patrol cops aren't really trained as well as folks think they are. In the Dorner case the women's pickup was shot at over one hundred times and they just collected 4 million dollars. The 19 year old terrorist had no gun, and they shot the heck out of the boat in a one sided gunfight and didn't kill him. Go through any of the New York City cop shootings where they shoot a crazy amount of shots and miss almost all of them. Unless its SWAT for a major urban area, the average American match shooter is way way more capable than a "trained professional" cop that only shoots quals twice a year.

[CasterTroy]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

the average American match shooter is way way more capable than a "trained professional" cop that only shoots quals twice a year.

And yet have ANY special forces member take a "match shooter" thru a "house" under stress conditions and he won't hit jack squat!

I say that sitting here armchair quarterbacking I know....but I'll GLADLY admit I'm no match shooter, though I shoot "well". Nor am I special forces. My comment comes second hand as my uncle is the former firearms instructor for Charlotte police, former ranger, and currently working private security detail in Iraq who's been spending the last several years teaching civilians in Iraq how to shoot in "house" situations.
He use to get SUCH a kick out of the stories of officers missing 90% of what they shot at in REAL shootouts. Even the swat guys.

From what he says, they simply lack the training PERIOD. Even the swat guys, and as you saw in BOTH situations he's right.

But I wouldn't BEGIN to agree that the average American match shooter is way way more capable! Even 3-gun (MAD respect for 3-gun shooters!) Shooting a stationary target with surgical precision, when you can time your trigger pull between heart beats, and hitting the broad side of a barn that has the potential of firing BACK at you with the INTENTION of taking your life?!?! Vastly different!
Hell...I dunno if you could hear anything BUT your heart POUNDING in your ears under THAT kind of stress?!?! And Hopefully I never find out. But I would IMAGINE under that kind of duress you're lucky if your not blind from the pre-staged of a stress migraine (fuzzy vision....if you've had a true migraine you know what I mean)

Having said that....IMHO police (especially swat) need more training before being released to handle these situations.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Twobanger

Most street/patrol cops aren't really trained as well as folks think they are. In the Dorner case the women's pickup was shot at over one hundred times and they just collected 4 million dollars. The 19 year old terrorist had no gun, and they shot the heck out of the boat in a one sided gunfight and didn't kill him. Go through any of the New York City cop shootings where they shoot a crazy amount of shots and miss almost all of them. Unless its SWAT for a major urban area, the average American match shooter is way way more capable than a "trained professional" cop that only shoots quals twice a year.

And the vast majority of gun owners don't even have that 'minimal' level of training nor experience that a street cop has.

[Twobanger]

This PSA/scenario/whatever is intended to be a situation graphically showing the potential consequences to a law abiding citizen as a result of the capacity limit that was passed into law in New York earlier this year, and the magazine capacity limits that were voted down in the Senate and not a stand alone "pro gun" piece. If it were a stand alone, a reenactment of actual events would indeed be a much better way to go.

[Rangerscott]

I watch war movies. Im trained.

[RACER X]

I used to play call of duty, I'm as good as Chuck Norris and Rambo put together, lol

NRA convention this weekend

[Trip]

Anyone lifetime NRA? Worth it? Anyone want to sponsor me for lifetime? Worth it?