2012 Civic Scores too Low to be "Recommended by Consumer Reports" - Page 2

Mikey · 08-02-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

Sure, if 0-60 times are your sole definition of win or loss.

Sole Definition? That category is a blowout. Fuel efficiency is the same, and price tag is the same. Unless the Si has amazingly better handling (it doesn't) the pony cars shit all over it.

Tell you what- put two drivers who know what they're doing on the same track. One in a Civic Si, the other in a 2012 Ford Mustang, and I'll bet that the Mustang driver not only destroys, but eventually laps the Civic driver.

I'll say it again: the Civic is not, never has been, and never will be a performance car. It's an economy car- and an economy car that gets 30 mpg is an utter failure.

Homeslice · 08-02-2011, 09:55 PM

I don't know about you, but I don't drive on a track. I drive on roads. And I don't enjoy trying to hustle a big heavy car around a tight mountain road.

And your statement about what is and isn't a performance car is just your opinion, as there is no accepted definition of such.

I guess the Focus SVT you mentioned isn't a performance car either. Nope, a manufacturer can never take an economy car and turn it into a performance car.

Mikey · 08-02-2011, 11:54 PM

Economy platforms do not translate well to performance. FWD+soft suspension+anemic 4-cyl engines != performance.

Nobody sets out to build a performance car and uses a 4cyl FWD softly-suspended platform as their starting point.

There is no such thing as a FWD, 4cyl performance car, no matter what Honda tells you. The Civic Si is not a sports car; it's an economy car that gets shitty mileage.

101lifts2 · 08-03-2011, 01:49 AM

The exterior of the Civic SI looks pretty decent, but nowhere near the coolness of a Camaro. However, the interior of the Civic is still subpar SI or not. And the Camaro took the top 2010 interior ward by some mag I can't think of now.

Homeslice · 08-03-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey

Economy platforms do not translate well to performance. FWD+soft suspension+anemic 4-cyl engines != performance.

Nobody sets out to build a performance car and uses a 4cyl FWD softly-suspended platform as their starting point.

There is no such thing as a FWD, 4cyl performance car, no matter what Honda tells you. The Civic Si is not a sports car; it's an economy car that gets shitty mileage.

Nobody is saying Civics are sports cars. A sports car is built from scratch, and doesn't share its platform with any other model. Examples: Corvette, Miata, Elise, etc.

But "performance car" simply means any car that is marketed to people who desire high performance attributes. Period. Nobody "sets out" to build a performance car, rather they take an existing car (typically a family sedan) and modify it to give it more performance. That includes WRX's, Taurus SHO's, Focus SVT's, and yes the Civic Si. There is no textbook definition saying a performance car must have RWD or a certain 0-60 figure.

Particle Man · 08-04-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Homeslice

Nobody is saying Civics are sports cars.

Can you explain that to the idiots with the plastic picnic table bolted to their trunks?

Homeslice · 08-04-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Particle Man

Can you explain that to the idiots with the plastic picnic table bolted to their trunks?

See that is the only reason I think people hate Civics.......not because it sucks but because of all the ricers. In reality a Focus isn't any better than a Civic, but it doesn't get hated on because not very many Focus owners rice it out.

pauldun170 · 08-04-2011, 02:40 PM

http://jalopnik.com/5827671/ten-cars...ivic/gallery/1

Trip · 08-04-2011, 02:45 PM

I am really glad I don't have to deal with every douchebag wanting to race my old piece of shit civic I used for commuting anymore. I will never own another one just because of that reason.

I couldn't drive over 75 on the interstate without some idiot wanting to be ricky racer cut me off and block me from passing them or playing speed up/slow down. Fuck I hated that, sooooo much.

Homeslice · 08-04-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip

I am really glad I don't have to deal with every douchebag wanting to race my old piece of shit civic I used for commuting anymore. I will never own another one just because of that reason.

I couldn't drive over 75 on the interstate without some idiot wanting to be ricky racer cut me off and block me from passing them or playing speed up/slow down. Fuck I hated that, sooooo much.

It's probably because you had a coffee can exhaust on it

08-02-2011, 11:54 PM	#13
Mikey Raving Lunatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Moto: Concours 14 ABS, ZX6E Posts: 902	Economy platforms do not translate well to performance. FWD+soft suspension+anemic 4-cyl engines != performance. Nobody sets out to build a performance car and uses a 4cyl FWD softly-suspended platform as their starting point. There is no such thing as a FWD, 4cyl performance car, no matter what Honda tells you. The Civic Si is not a sports car; it's an economy car that gets shitty mileage. __________________ Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

08-03-2011, 01:49 AM	#14
101lifts2 WSB Champion Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Moto: 2009 Kawi ZX6R Posts: 5,570	The exterior of the Civic SI looks pretty decent, but nowhere near the coolness of a Camaro. However, the interior of the Civic is still subpar SI or not. And the Camaro took the top 2010 interior ward by some mag I can't think of now. __________________ Train Hard Ron Paul - 2012 Mark of Excellence GM

08-02-2011, 09:55 PM	#12
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	I don't know about you, but I don't drive on a track. I drive on roads. And I don't enjoy trying to hustle a big heavy car around a tight mountain road. And your statement about what is and isn't a performance car is just your opinion, as there is no accepted definition of such. I guess the Focus SVT you mentioned isn't a performance car either. Nope, a manufacturer can never take an economy car and turn it into a performance car.

08-04-2011, 02:45 PM	#19
Trip Hold mah beer! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 80 Miles South of Moto Heaven Moto: 08 R1200GS Posts: 23,268	I am really glad I don't have to deal with every douchebag wanting to race my old piece of shit civic I used for commuting anymore. I will never own another one just because of that reason. I couldn't drive over 75 on the interstate without some idiot wanting to be ricky racer cut me off and block me from passing them or playing speed up/slow down. Fuck I hated that, sooooo much.