Detroit files for bankruptcy

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

Good luck practically ever proving that. Take the scenario I outlined for example. I'd consider the perpetrators of that particular fraud as the public.

Our last Premier, here in Ontario, said that he wouldn't create any new taxes. He created a heath care tax and then called it a "fee." That's fraud.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Our last Premier, here in Ontario, said that he wouldn't create any new taxes. He created a heath care tax and then called it a "fee." That's fraud.

You believed a campaign promise? That's gullible.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

You believed a campaign promise? That's gullible.

You don't think that politicians should be held to promises? That's cynical.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

You don't think that politicians should be held to promises? That's cynical.

Viewing campaign "promises" as anything more than a broad vision of where a politician would like to go is naive. They are not deities or some kind of dark ages era all powerful monarch. They have to depend on other people to keep the promises they make. When they are making those promises they don't even know if the people they will depend on are allies or hostile. That isn't cynical, it is recognizing reality.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Trip

OCP will come in now

Somewhere, there is a crime happening.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

Viewing campaign "promises" as anything more than a broad vision of where a politician would like to go is naive. They are not deities or some kind of dark ages era all powerful monarch. They have to depend on other people to keep the promises they make. When they are making those promises they don't even know if the people they will depend on are allies or hostile. That isn't cynical, it is recognizing reality.

And when their party has majority control and it's quite possible to do what they promised, but they don't? Or when they go completely counter to the promises that they made during the election? Or when they know that it's functionally impossible to do what they promise, when they make the promise?

Fraud.

[Amorok]

Hey.