some people shouldn't breed

[Archren]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Show me evidence that botox leads to addiction, heart disease, diabetes, significantly increased health care costs, feeling like shit/poor attitude, etc. etc....

Many of the things people feed their children right off the shelf of the grocery store are treated as a poison by the body. Tylenol is a poison...we give it to kids all the time, most of the time for no good reason.

Botox may not cause a physical addiction per se, but it's the possibility of long-term nerve damage and the near guarantee of psychological damage (hooray for social programming).

[the chi]

Not to mention if mom orders a bad sample online and kills her kid. Ppl die at those "at home" botox parties...and since mom is an adult I would assume her body might process the botox differently than her 8 years olds, and she might have no reaction whereas her child could die.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Archren

Botox may not cause a physical addiction per se, but it's the possibility of long-term nerve damage and the near guarantee of psychological damage (hooray for social programming).

French fries may not cause a physical addiction per se, but its the possibility of long-term heart damage and skin problems coupled with a near guarantee of being called a fatty fatty boom balati, and thus a lower self esteem.

*Note, I am not implying that everyone who's ever eaten a french fry is going to have a heart attack. This is in specific reference to obese children who's parents continually feed them shit....which are in a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher percentage than those who inject botox into their kids.*

Originally Posted by the chi

Not to mention if mom orders a bad sample online and kills her kid. Ppl die at those "at home" botox parties...and since mom is an adult I would assume her body might process the botox differently than her 8 years olds, and she might have no reaction whereas her child could die.

How many people have died from bad botox?

2006

November–December: 71 people became sick with E. coli after eating at Taco Bell restaurants in New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, and Delaware. The fast-food chain initially blamed its green onion supply, though investigations by the CDC later suggested that lettuce was the source of the problem.

September–October: Prewashed, bagged spinach from Dole was contaminated with E. coli. At least 205 consumers fell ill; three died. Investigators traced the strain back to the field in California and said that in this instance, washing could not have removed the bacteria.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Show me evidence that botox leads to addiction, heart disease, diabetes, significantly increased health care costs, feeling like shit/poor attitude, etc. etc....

Many of the things people feed their children right off the shelf of the grocery store are treated as a poison by the body. Tylenol is a poison...we give it to kids all the time, most of the time for no good reason.

How many people eat fast food?

How many people inject themselves, or their kids with Botox?

=/=

The woman is injecting her child with a POISON. Replace the Botox with Strychnine, and it's essentially the same thing. It's very purpose is to damage muscles, so that the part injected takes on a softer texture.

[MILK]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23070759...and_parenting/
WASHINGTON — The popular anti-wrinkle drug Botox and a competitor have been linked to dangerous botulism symptoms in some users, cases so bad that a few children have died, the government warned Friday.

The Food and Drug Administration's warning includes both Botox, a wrinkle-specific version called Botox Cosmetic, and its competitor, Myobloc, drugs that all use botulinum toxin to block nerve impulses, causing them to relax.

In rare cases, the toxin can spread beyond the injection site to other parts of the body, paralyzing or weakening the muscles used for breathing and swallowing, a potentially fatal side effect, the FDA said.

Botox is best known for minimizing wrinkles by paralyzing facial muscles _ but botulinum toxin also is widely used for a variety of muscle-spasm conditions, such as cervical dystonia or severe neck spasms.

The FDA said the deaths it is investigating so far all involve children, mostly cerebral palsy patients being treated for spasticity in their legs. The FDA has never formally approved that use for the drugs, but some other countries have.

However, the FDA warned that it also is probing reports of illnesses in people of all ages who used the drugs for a variety of conditions, including at least one hospitalization of a woman given Botox for forehead wrinkles.

The FDA wouldn't say exactly how many reports it is probing.

Advertise | AdChoicesAdvertise | AdChoicesAdvertise | AdChoices"We're not talking hundreds. It's a relative handful," said Dr. Russell Katz, FDA's neurology chief.

But the agency warned that patients receiving a botulinum toxin injection for any reason —cosmetic or medical — should be told to seek immediate care if they suffer symptoms of botulism, including: difficulty swallowing or breathing, slurred speech, muscle weakness, or difficulty holding up their head.

"I think people should be aware there's a potential for this to happen," Katz said. "People should be on the lookout for it."

Friday's warning came two weeks after the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen petitioned the FDA to strengthen warnings to users of Botox and Myobloc _ citing 180 reports of U.S. patients suffering fluid in the lungs, difficulty swallowing or pneumonia, including 16 deaths.

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That's what's different about these latest cases, said FDA's Katz: The botulism toxin seems to be harming people who don't have that risk factor of a neuromuscular disease.

Still, the FDA cautioned that its investigation is in early stages. It has asked Botox maker Allergan Inc. and Myobloc maker Solstice Neurosciences Inc. to provide additional safety records.

Allergan spokeswoman Caroline Van Hove said children with cerebral palsy receive far larger doses injected into their leg muscles than the doses given adults seeking wrinkle care.

While the FDA said the problems may be related to overdoses, it also has reports of side effects with a variety of doses.

Public Citizen's Dr. Sidney Wolfe criticized FDA's warning as falling short. He asked that the agency order a black-box warning, the FDA's strongest type, be put on the drugs' labels and require that every patient receive a pamphlet outlining the risk before each injection.

"Every doctor needs to notified about this, every patient needs to be notified," Wolfe said. "Children are showing the way, unfortunately some dead children."



Botox-related Deaths Lead to Request for New Safety Warnings


Botox-related Deaths Lead to Request for New Safety Warnings
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A shocking series of Botox-related deaths leads to new safety concerns. In an article for the New York Times, Gardiner Harris reports that Botox, a neurotoxin used to relax muscles, and a similar injected drug called Myobloc were associated with 16 deaths. Additionally, serious injuries were reported after the drug spread to vital organs. Believing that patients should be better informed of the possible risks associated with this treatment, Public Citizen, a health advocacy group, filed a petition with the Food and Drug Administration this past Thursday requesting that Botox come with a much stronger warning label for consumers.


In response to these allegations, executives at Allergan, the maker of Botox, claim that such reactions are rare and, that many patients who receive this drug are seriously ill, thus making it difficult to prove that Botox injections alone caused these negative reactions.


In addition to its function as a wrinkle reducer, Botox is also used to treat a painful condition of the neck muscles called cervical dystonia. When injected into the neck, Botox can relieve sufferers of disabling pain for weeks or even months. The problem is that when the injection sites are located too closely to the esophagus, partial paralysis can lead to swallowing problems and aspiration pneumonia, a condition caused by breathing in food or liquids, Public Citizen explains.


Only one of the 16 deaths occurred in a patient utilizing Botox as a treatment for wrinkles. Most of the complications occurred in patients who suffered from muscle problems or other conditions. However, Public Citizen reports that 658 cases of Botox-related problems have been reported to the F.D.A.


In contrast, health authorities in Europe go to great lengths to highlight the possible dangers of these drugs. A petition published by the Danish Medicines Agency found 600 problems associated with Botox type drugs. Half of these problems occurred from a spreading of the toxin to other areas of the body, which is why in Europe, labeling on these drugs contains a section called "special warnings and precautions" which details specific dangers regarding this potential complication. Danish authorities also warn that muscle weakness which occurs as a result of using Botox or similar drugs can be long lasting, especially in children, the elderly or those with neurological problems.

Authorities in both Britain and Germany require drug manufacturers to send warning letters to doctors detailing the specific dangers of these drugs. In Europe, patients who are prescribed Botox receive a leaflet with medical advice regarding breathing abnormalities, dry mouth or swallowing difficulties.


Dr. Sidney M. Wolfe, director of the Public Citizen's health research group, believes that if patients were better informed of the dangers of Botox and similar drugs, these deaths in the United States would never have occurred. "Nobody should die from the medical use of Botox. The fact that they are shows that patients don't have a clue about these problems," he states.

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(CBS/AP) The popular anti-wrinkle drug Botox and a competitor have been linked to dangerous botulism symptoms in some users, cases so bad that a few children given the drugs for muscle spasms have died, the U.S. government warned Friday.

The Food and Drug Administration's warning includes both Botox, a wrinkle-specific version called Botox Cosmetic, and its competitor, Myobloc, drugs that all use botulinum toxin to block nerve impulses, causing them to relax.

In rare cases, the toxin can spread beyond the injection site to other parts of the body, paralyzing or weakening the muscles used for breathing and swallowing, a potentially fatal side effect, the FDA said.

Botox is best known for minimizing wrinkles by paralyzing facial muscles - but botulinum toxin also is widely used for a variety of muscle-spasm conditions, such as cervical dystonia or severe neck spasms.

The FDA said the deaths it is investigating so far all involve children, mostly cerebral palsy patients being treated for spasticity in their legs. The FDA has never formally approved that use for the drugs, but some other countries have.

However, the FDA warned that it also is probing reports of illnesses in people of all ages who used the drugs for a variety of conditions, including at least one hospitalization of a woman given Botox for forehead wrinkles.

The FDA would not say exactly how many reports it is probing.

"We're not talking hundreds. It's a relative handful," said Dr. Russell Katz, FDA's neurology chief.

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I think people should be aware there's a potential for this to happen. People should be on the lookout for it.

Dr. Russell Katz, FDA neurology chief But the agency warned that patients receiving a botulinum toxin injection for any reason - cosmetic or medical - should be told to seek immediate care if they suffer symptoms of botulism, including: difficulty swallowing or breathing, slurred speech, muscle weakness, or difficulty holding up their head.

"I think people should be aware there's a potential for this to happen," Katz said. "People should be on the lookout for it."

Friday's warning came two weeks after the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen petitioned the FDA to strengthen warnings to users of Botox and Myobloc - citing 180 reports of U.S. patients suffering fluid in the lungs, difficulty swallowing or pneumonia, including 16 deaths.

Nor is it the first warning. The drugs' labels do warn about the potential for botulinum toxin to spread beyond the injection site and occasionally kill, but the warnings link that side effect to patients with certain neuromuscular diseases, such as myasthenia gravis.

That's what's different about these latest cases, said FDA's Katz: The botulism toxin seems to be harming people who don't have that particular risk factor. (Cerebral palsy involves a brain injury, not a disease.)

Still, the FDA cautioned that its investigation is in the early stages. It has asked Botox maker Allergan Inc. and Myobloc maker Solstice Neurosciences Inc. to provide additional safety records.

Allergan spokeswoman Caroline Van Hove said children with cerebral palsy receive far larger doses injected into their leg muscles than the doses given adults seeking wrinkle care.

In a statement, Solstice said it supports FDA's probe but stressed that the agency hasn't concluded the drug poses any new risk.

While the FDA said the problems may be related to overdoses, it also has reports of side effects with a variety of doses.

Public Citizen's Dr. Sidney Wolfe criticized FDA's warning as falling short. He asked that the agency order a black-box warning, the FDA's strongest type, be put on the drugs' labels and require that every patient receive a pamphlet outlining the risk before each injection.

"Every doctor needs to notified about this, every patient needs to be notified," Wolfe said. "Children are showing the way, unfortunately some dead children."

He said drug regulators in Britain and Germany last year required that sterner warnings be sent to every doctor in those countries.

"What we're saying is, nobody should be dying of Botox, and they wouldn't be dying if the government and the companies were doing a better job warning people," Wolfe said to CBS Early Show co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez.

[EtyrnuSS]

Kane, you said it yourself, the problem is people who eat it constantly. There is nothing wrong with going to McD and getting a Big Mac, as long as you don't do it every day. It's just like anything else, the damage is in the amount.

But on topic, this is just sick.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

How many people eat fast food?

How many people inject themselves, or their kids with Botox?

=/=

The woman is injecting her child with a POISON. Replace the Botox with Strychnine, and it's essentially the same thing. It's very purpose is to damage muscles, so that the part injected takes on a softer texture.

You put poison in big caps as if its some big deal, yet millions get botox every year and few (I have no idea what percentage) die from it...so it can't be all that poisonous. I understand fully how it works and why.

Yet, being fat and eating like shit is the (...wait for it, here comes the drama baby) NUMBER ONE KILLER humans in America....even more dangerous than tobacco and unprotected gay sex. A higher percentage of fat asses will die of eating and drinking the shit they grew up on than will those who use botox, I guarantee it.

This botox story has been in the news for a fucking week now. I'm not saying its right, someone should shake the shit out of that bitch. Better yet, someone should've stopped her from breeding in the first place. However, all the outrage is misplaced and would be better spent focusing on something even more harmful to children and the future of our society...

In summary, being a fatass is more detrimental to your health than injecting muscle damaging botox into your face.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

French fries may not cause a physical addiction per se, but its the possibility of long-term heart damage and skin problems coupled with a near guarantee of being called a fatty fatty boom balati, and thus a lower self esteem.

*Note, I am not implying that everyone who's ever eaten a french fry is going to have a heart attack. This is in specific reference to obese children who's parents continually feed them shit....which are in a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher percentage than those who inject botox into their kids.*



How many people have died from bad botox?

Again bs. Eating ANYTHING in reckless disregard to caloric values is gonna make you a fatass.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by EtyrnuSS

Kane, you said it yourself, the problem is people who eat it constantly. There is nothing wrong with going to McD and getting a Big Mac, as long as you don't do it every day. It's just like anything else, the damage is in the amount.

But on topic, this is just sick.

That's what I'm referring to, parents who feed their children shit on a regular basis. Those people make up a higher percentage of parents than those who inject their children with Botox, therefore they are much more of a problem, yet there is no outrage.


MILK, the drug company already cleared it all up. Its ok, you can trust them.

In response to these allegations, executives at Allergan, the maker of Botox, claim that such reactions are rare and, that many patients who receive this drug are seriously ill, thus making it difficult to prove that Botox injections alone caused these negative reactions.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

You put poison in big caps as if its some big deal, yet millions get botox every year and few (I have no idea what percentage) die from it...so it can't be all that poisonous. I understand fully how it works and why.

Yet, being fat and eating like shit is the (...wait for it, here comes the drama baby) NUMBER ONE KILLER humans in America....even more dangerous than tobacco and unprotected gay sex. A higher percentage of fat asses will die of eating and drinking the shit they grew up on than will those who use botox, I guarantee it.

This botox story has been in the news for a fucking week now. I'm not saying its right, someone should shake the shit out of that bitch. Better yet, someone should've stopped her from breeding in the first place. However, all the outrage is misplaced and would be better spent focusing on something even more harmful to children and the future of our society...

In summary, being a fatass is more detrimental to your health than injecting muscle damaging botox into your face.

How many people take Botox vs. how many people eat fast food? As I said, it isn't equal. Pretty hard to say which behaviour is more dangerous to the individual.