Is Casey Stoner one of the best riders ever? - Page 2

anthonyk · 06-21-2011, 02:38 PM

The boy's got talent, for sure. But like others have mentioned, he hasn't mixed it up with enough other riders to show that he's got the mental steel to be called one of the best. And what he has shown in the past (or hell, even in practice/qualifying this year) with other riders hasn't been all that encouraging.

anthonyk · 06-21-2011, 03:41 PM

Sure, but this question comes down 100% to personal opinion. He hasn't exhibited (for whatever reason) the qualities that I think are necessary to get into the "one of the best ever" category. Numbers are nice, but if we only looked at numbers, these would be really boring arguments.

L8 Braker · 10-17-2011, 02:00 AM

2 championships now, and he's the 5th winningest rider in MotoGP OF ALL TIME!!...All by age 26...

I'd say he deserves being in the group of greatest ever..

fasternyou929 · 10-17-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by L8 Braker

2 championships now, and he's the 5th winningest rider in MotoGP OF ALL TIME!!...All by age 26...

I'd say he deserves being in the group of greatest ever..

What an amazing day for him yesterday. Birthday, a win at Philip Island, clinched the championship... all on home turf. And he gets to celebrate with a not-half-bad looking, pregnant wife when he gets home.

L8 Braker · 10-18-2011, 06:54 PM

I think this sums it up nicely...

Soup :: The King of the 800s :: 10-18-2011

There can be zero argument: Stoner is the best rider ever on an 800cc World Championship motorcycle. All hail the king.

The numbers are overwhelming. Stoner has 32 victories from 2007-11. Seven-time MotoGP World Champion Valentino Rossi is a distant second, with 21 wins during the 800cc era.

Stoner has won two World Championships on an 800cc bike, the same as Rossi. But Stoner's titles came on two different machines, in 2007 aboard a Ducati and this year on a Honda. Rossi won titles in 2007 and 2008 on a Yamaha and has been lost in the premier-class wilderness this season on a Ducati.

The Australian may not be the warmest, fuzziest character in the paddock. He may appear to be the kind of guy who would complain that he wanted $2 million after collecting a $1 million lottery prize.

But there is no mistaking that Stoner is the best. And it's time that he is placed in the pantheon among the giants of the sport. Early testing indicates Honda could remain dominant in the first year of the 1000cc formula in 2012, so the summit of Mighty Casey's numbers might climb higher into the thin air of the legends.

L8 Braker · 11-07-2011, 05:30 PM

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, let's re-cap

Stoner is only 26, and.......

--he has 2 premier class championships...In the 62 years of GP racing, there are only 13 other riders who can say the same
--he has won the GP championship on 2 different manufacturers (Rossi and Ago did it, too, but not Doohan, and not Hailwood)
--he has 33 victories, making him the 5th winningest rider EVER!!!...Mike Hailwood has 37, and it should be easy for Stoner to pass him next year, putting him in 4th place on the all time list
--this year, Stoner tied Mick Doohan with the most pole positions in one season with 12...They are the only two in the history of GP that can say that
--this year, he finished on the podium EVERY SINGLE RACE that he didn't get taken out of race or the race was cancelled

If you want to compare him against Rossi, here's the stats...

--Casey joined the big boy ranks of GP in 2006...Since then, he has 33 victories...Rossi isn't even close with only 21 in the same amount of time

Stoner is young, and still has a lot of racing left in him, and it's feasible to think he can catch Doohan...Maybe not Agostini or Rossi, but who knows?...Regardless, he has accomplished more in the last 5 years than the entire GP grid will accomplish in a lifetime...He is easily in the category as one of the best to EVER race GP...

So, like him or hate him, you can't deny him his due

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11-07-2011, 05:30 PM	#6
L8 Braker Swollen Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, let's re-cap Stoner is only 26, and....... --he has 2 premier class championships...In the 62 years of GP racing, there are only 13 other riders who can say the same --he has won the GP championship on 2 different manufacturers (Rossi and Ago did it, too, but not Doohan, and not Hailwood) --he has 33 victories, making him the 5th winningest rider EVER!!!...Mike Hailwood has 37, and it should be easy for Stoner to pass him next year, putting him in 4th place on the all time list --this year, Stoner tied Mick Doohan with the most pole positions in one season with 12...They are the only two in the history of GP that can say that --this year, he finished on the podium EVERY SINGLE RACE that he didn't get taken out of race or the race was cancelled If you want to compare him against Rossi, here's the stats... --Casey joined the big boy ranks of GP in 2006...Since then, he has 33 victories...Rossi isn't even close with only 21 in the same amount of time Stoner is young, and still has a lot of racing left in him, and it's feasible to think he can catch Doohan...Maybe not Agostini or Rossi, but who knows?...Regardless, he has accomplished more in the last 5 years than the entire GP grid will accomplish in a lifetime...He is easily in the category as one of the best to EVER race GP... So, like him or hate him, you can't deny him his due Last edited by L8 Braker; 11-07-2011 at 08:30 PM..

06-21-2011, 02:38 PM	#1
anthonyk WERA White Plate Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, TX Moto: '01 Aprilia Falco Posts: 1,041	The boy's got talent, for sure. But like others have mentioned, he hasn't mixed it up with enough other riders to show that he's got the mental steel to be called one of the best. And what he has shown in the past (or hell, even in practice/qualifying this year) with other riders hasn't been all that encouraging.

06-21-2011, 03:41 PM	#2
anthonyk WERA White Plate Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, TX Moto: '01 Aprilia Falco Posts: 1,041	Sure, but this question comes down 100% to personal opinion. He hasn't exhibited (for whatever reason) the qualities that I think are necessary to get into the "one of the best ever" category. Numbers are nice, but if we only looked at numbers, these would be really boring arguments.

10-17-2011, 02:00 AM	#3
L8 Braker Swollen Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	2 championships now, and he's the 5th winningest rider in MotoGP OF ALL TIME!!...All by age 26... I'd say he deserves being in the group of greatest ever..

10-18-2011, 06:54 PM	#5
L8 Braker Swollen Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 558	I think this sums it up nicely... Soup :: The King of the 800s :: 10-18-2011 There can be zero argument: Stoner is the best rider ever on an 800cc World Championship motorcycle. All hail the king. The numbers are overwhelming. Stoner has 32 victories from 2007-11. Seven-time MotoGP World Champion Valentino Rossi is a distant second, with 21 wins during the 800cc era. Stoner has won two World Championships on an 800cc bike, the same as Rossi. But Stoner's titles came on two different machines, in 2007 aboard a Ducati and this year on a Honda. Rossi won titles in 2007 and 2008 on a Yamaha and has been lost in the premier-class wilderness this season on a Ducati. The Australian may not be the warmest, fuzziest character in the paddock. He may appear to be the kind of guy who would complain that he wanted $2 million after collecting a $1 million lottery prize. But there is no mistaking that Stoner is the best. And it's time that he is placed in the pantheon among the giants of the sport. Early testing indicates Honda could remain dominant in the first year of the 1000cc formula in 2012, so the summit of Mighty Casey's numbers might climb higher into the thin air of the legends.