Harley bought 'em, maybe something good will happen

[Tmall]

Originally Posted by Dave

barely. in the same time it took the 750 to pick up 6hp (6 years) the 600 gained 16 and the 1000 grabbed 21.

in your other statement, you might be right on power. very wrong on torque, and mine is lighter

And the Buell gained 50! At the loss of 3 ft/lbs. It "only" has 82-83 now..

So, now it's down 20hp on an i4 litre. Keep in mind.. If I wanted an I4 litre. That's exactly what I would have bought. Not to mention it makes more tq off idle than the i4s do up until 11-12k rpm.

I'll point it out again, Buell makes street bikes that are race capable. In the hands of the right rider, it will more than keep up on the track. In the hands of a novice rider, it'll keep up easily on the street until you get to the highway. I don't ride much highway, we have hundreds and hundreds of miles of twisties here.

If the only corners I had were onramps. I'd probably care about peak hp. But, with the twisties here, I put it in third and use the tq. I'm good from about 15mph to about 80 mph in third gear. And it pulls from all rpm.

YMMV but, I got a brand new motorcycle for 2/3 the cost of a litre bike. And all I lost was the ability to hit 186mph.

[tlstreak]

There were a couple selling points on the old Buells I liked alot. Easy maint. No valve checks. Belt driven, so no more cleaning and tighten a chain. I love twins far more than an I4. Every Buell ive been on was a all day comfortable riding posture. Decent street suspension, and capable brakes. Wasnt the biggest fan of the perimeter brake rotor. They have factory upgrades that made sense for the bike. One day ill probably own one. I have my lil 929 street fighter project now and its been fun so far.

I happen to think they might have went away from what really made sense with the bikes on the newest version. Back to valve adjustments and trying to compete in a market their not ready for. Kinda like BMW and Moto Guzzi they build bikes designed for a purpose, stick with what works first.

[marko138]

Originally Posted by tlstreak

I dont down buells, I hate the new bike, and would take the 9 or 12 over it looks and ride wise for me.

I would too...and did. I LOVE the engine in this bike. Like you said...super easy...very little maintenence...endless torque and an unbeatable sound.

[zed]

Originally Posted by Tmall

And the Buell gained 50! At the loss of 3 ft/lbs. It "only" has 82-83 now..

So, now it's down 20hp on an i4 litre. Keep in mind.. If I wanted an I4 litre. That's exactly what I would have bought. Not to mention it makes more tq off idle than the i4s do up until 11-12k rpm.

I'll point it out again, Buell makes street bikes that are race capable. In the hands of the right rider, it will more than keep up on the track. In the hands of a novice rider, it'll keep up easily on the street until you get to the highway. I don't ride much highway, we have hundreds and hundreds of miles of twisties here.

If the only corners I had were onramps. I'd probably care about peak hp. But, with the twisties here, I put it in third and use the tq. I'm good from about 15mph to about 80 mph in third gear. And it pulls from all rpm.

YMMV but, I got a brand new motorcycle for 2/3 the cost of a litre bike. And all I lost was the ability to hit 186mph.

have you ridden a modern liter bike? I had ridden a ZX11D1 for years, hell of a lot of low end power comes on like a big block (pick your favorite manufacturer), I now own an 06 ZX10R it will do 100MPH in first and I can also do corners in 3rd (hell and do about 120 if needed) there is plenty of power in third.

one question for ya, if a V twin will keep up with an I4, why do they need such a bigger motor at the race track?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Tmall

And the Buell gained 50! At the loss of 3 ft/lbs. It "only" has 82-83 now..

So, now it's down 20hp on an i4 litre. Keep in mind.. If I wanted an I4 litre. That's exactly what I would have bought. Not to mention it makes more tq off idle than the i4s do up until 11-12k rpm.

I'll point it out again, Buell makes street bikes that are race capable. In the hands of the right rider, it will more than keep up on the track. In the hands of a novice rider, it'll keep up easily on the street until you get to the highway. I don't ride much highway, we have hundreds and hundreds of miles of twisties here.

If the only corners I had were onramps. I'd probably care about peak hp. But, with the twisties here, I put it in third and use the tq. I'm good from about 15mph to about 80 mph in third gear. And it pulls from all rpm.

YMMV but, I got a brand new motorcycle for 2/3 the cost of a litre bike. And all I lost was the ability to hit 186mph.

i was talking about power changes in a single model with either the same or same type motor. you cant use that analogy with your above statement since you are using two different models and one of them aircooled.

[Rsv1000R]

Originally Posted by zed

one question for ya, if a V twin will keep up with an I4, why do they need such a bigger motor at the race track?

It's easier to make a 1L I4 spin faster than a 1L V2 does, that allows the heads to make more HP. Just like a 1L 6 will make more hp than a I4. Twins do tend to make more torque, and being narrow keeps a lot of reciprocating mass in the middle of the bike, opposed to I4's that have spinning mass way out the sides of the bike.

Oh, BTW Rotax stays in business because they also makes aircraft engines.

[Dave]

damn now i have to compare old cb1000 numbers to cbx numbers to validate the above statement.

[Rsv1000R]

Originally Posted by Dave

damn now i have to compare old cb1000 numbers to cbx numbers to validate the above statement.

Better yet, you could build them all in an engine simulator and see that they make the same hp/torque curve relationship we see between 600/1000 I4's and 1000 twins. And then toss in a 6 just because you can....

There's a 900 and 750 of the same head design as the cbx, But I'm not sure if there's a 1000.....

[smileyman]

Apples and Oranges love...

I like how you guys forgot completely that Harley purchased Cagiva and then announced major US plant layoffs in Milwaukee.

Or how Cagiva is in no way prepared or able to produce bikes in volume for import at a profitable margin regardless of ownership

Oh, and I like GSXRs and Buells...Aprilias not so much...I feel they are overrated.

[Rsv1000R]

Originally Posted by smileyman

Oh, and I like GSXRs and Buells...Aprilias not so much...I feel they are overrated.

It's a little low on power compared to newer bikes, But it still has plenty to have fun on the street. It's also the only stock streetbike I've seen with a picture of the rider dragging his elbow on a flat surface.