Judge Blocks Obama's Ban on Offshore Drilling

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

When a plane blows because of a defective part or design, you ground the whole fleet so you can inspect them.
You don't keep em flying because grounding will hurt the industries stock price.

This....

And when you conduct the inspections...and find out that it's not a defective part, it's deliberate corner cutting causing the problem...you bust the ever loving shit out of the people responsible.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

In the aviation industry they will ground an entire fleet precisely to determine IF a common fault exists.

True, but they don't do it based on an unidentified fault on a single aircraft. Look at the rudder issues that caused multiple 737 crashes resulting in hundreds of fatalities. It took years to identify what the problem was, and even more years before the fix was required. I don't believe the 737 fleet was ever grounded.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by KSGregman

This....

And when you conduct the inspections...and find out that it's not a defective part, it's deliberate corner cutting causing the problem...you bust the ever loving shit out of the people responsible.

Also true, but they don't "bust the ever loving shit out of" the entire airline industry, which would be the comparison to this complete deepwater drilling ban.

[azoomm]

But, in this case it was't JUST the BOP.

If the cement job would have held....
If the riser wasn't displaced with seawater....
If the....

And, the government was notified and approved the capping of this well. The disaster plan of an estimated FIVE MONTHS from TransOcean and BP was approved on the permit. And, now everyone is upset with BP over the fact that it will take five months?



Hell, let's fuck over the entire industry. That's cool....

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by azoomm

But, in this case it was't JUST the BOP.

If the cement job would have held....
If the riser wasn't displaced with seawater....
If the....

And, the government was notified and approved the capping of this well. The disaster plan of an estimated FIVE MONTHS from TransOcean and BP was approved on the permit. And, now everyone is upset with BP over the fact that it will take five months?



Hell, let's fuck over the entire industry. That's cool....

The government is playing it safe.
It would rather risk fucking over the "industry" then fuck over "people".
Once they get the information they need and put together the fancy reports saying "Iz okay" the ban will be lifted.

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

The government is playing it safe.
It would rather risk fucking over the "industry" then fuck over "people".
Once they get the information they need and put together the fancy reports saying "Iz okay" the ban will be lifted.

Errrrr, ok.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by azoomm

If the cement job would have held........

Who approved that type of placement for the cement? From what I read, it was not to industry standards?

Originally Posted by azoomm

If the riser wasn't displaced with seawater....

Who approved this decision? And more importantly...WHY? From what I read, the decision was made in order to save a little time...and a lot of money...against the judgement of the drilling crew.

Originally Posted by azoomm

And, now everyone is upset with BP over the fact that it will take five months?

Fucking off the recovery is only PART of the reason people are upset....the true anger derives from the fact that these people (Transocean and BP and Halliburton and the Federal Regulators charged with over seeing the activities of all of the above....CAUSED this issue....through negligence...corner cutting...attempting to save money rather than be conservative...and safe. Now, 11 people are dead....the Gulf of Mexico (and anywhere else the oil/sludge/tar/gas winds up going) is fucked for YEARS...likely DECADES.

So, um, yeah....people are pissed...and they SHOULD be.

[azoomm]

I know nothing about what type of process Haliburton used, all I know is it didn't hold. Filling the riser with saltwater is part of the normal process, they have to displace it with something to recover the mud. This well was "done" which is why they were doing it. I'm not criticizing what they did, only that it was the timing of things happening. Any one isolated thing happening in the process wouldn't have caused a catastrophe. But, six things together.... and boom.

People are just mad. I'm ok with that. I'm not arguing whether they should be. Just being knee jerk and bitching for the sake of it all should be something I'm used to, huh?

After all, I should be "glad" this is going down. Or so I was told by someone that it will make my husband's job safer. I would be, except I was told that by several people who have no idea what he does, what happened here, what goes on, where he is, blah blah blah.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I know nothing about what type of process Haliburton used, all I know is it didn't hold. Filling the riser with saltwater is part of the normal process, they have to displace it with something to recover the mud. This well was "done" which is why they were doing it. I'm not criticizing what they did, only that it was the timing of things happening. Any one isolated thing happening in the process wouldn't have caused a catastrophe. But, six things together.... and boom.

People are just mad. I'm ok with that. I'm not arguing whether they should be. Just being knee jerk and bitching for the sake of it all should be something I'm used to, huh?

After all, I should be "glad" this is going down. Or so I was told by someone that it will make my husband's job safer. I would be, except I was told that by several people who have no idea what he does, what happened here, what goes on, where he is, blah blah blah.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...417936798.html

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...417936798.html

And?