ATF Running Guns

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Again, how can a gov't agency force a store/dealer to do business with someone? Not saying it can't happen, but..... Please describe the scenario.

In the ATF's case they imply that they will can be there to Audit your books, raise a question about one of your sales, and inform you that that the investigation can take upward of 12 months to complete. You can be told that your class 7 licence to manufacture may not be renewed or that all the inventory you have inbound is suspect and will have to be held at a bonded warehouse until it can be cleared.
The can also when you do a call in background check (as all dealer have to do) order you to complete the sale. Despite the fact that you raise objections,
but also please understand we are not just talking about store front gun shops. J&G is a licensed wholesaler with a good national reputation. CBS also report they used stings and payoffs to to get criminal informants to facilitate these sales.
Again in my experience the Individual ATF Agent are professional and have never been capricious in there decisions but this agency answers to no one they are the IRS of the gun world here in the states and can crush you.

[Papa_Complex]

Can.

Did?

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

And another question: How do you know where the guns are going, if you don't let them get there?

The same sort of tactic is used in tracking shipments of hard drugs. I ask again, why no outrage? While they may not kill someone with the obvious finality and immediacy of a bullet, they still kill.

As far as drugs go, Agreed and I have no answer beyond the US is in particular are a Drug Using Culture.
As far as tracking the guns form source to end user holds up for the first 10 guns perhaps , but when the same buyers are allowed to Purchase 60 AKs They knew who purchased them they knew where the guns were going, and they admit that once the weapons crossed the border they had know way of tracing them.
This really does to me appear to be an attempt to make a political point using the live of Mexican Citizens, ie American guns are being used in Mexican Drug Violence.
They proved the statement by making sure Mexican Drug Gangs could get the Guns from the US rather than getting them from Central America which had been the choice in the past.

[pauldun170]

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S....shtml?cat=504

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...e=domesticNews

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...PMmuckraker%29

[pauldun170]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...gSR_story.html

[pauldun170]

I really hope this bust isn't the result of Project Gunrunner because then it would kind of take the fun out of this thread.

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by pauldun170

I really hope this bust isn't the result of Project Gunrunner because then it would kind of take the fun out of this thread.

I don't know if the New Mexico bust was the result but it is irrelevant to who investigates this distaster.