Motorcyclist charged with vehicular homicide

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by tommymac

he watched CSI and NCS last night so he knows

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by goof2

That is fine for assigning blame for the accident. That still doesn't necessarily make him guilty of vehicular homicide.

Did you miss the second part, was his speed to blame for his bike sliding far/fast enough to kill that pedestrian after the impact with the car?

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Tmall

I don't care what speed he was going. You make sure you have time to make a turn before you attempt it. He was wrong for speeding, but that's it.

I agree for the most part, but up to a certain point. If the guy is doing 140mph in a 45mph zone, there is really no way to correctly judge how fast the bike is approaching. Esp. when most of these sportbike fuck tards who think riding with their high beams on makes cars "see you". God that pisses me off.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by tommymac

he watched CSI and NCIS last night so he knows

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Innocent.

I believe speed is a secondary offense, unless above a specific rate (30 above?) and there's no real way of knowing exactly how fast he was going. Given that lack of information, we cannot be certain that he was the cause of the accident. Seems to me the Camry chick failed to yeild, which is a primary offense... Plus, I think the law requires negligence on the part of the rider... I would argue that despite his apparent disregard of the posted speed limit, he wasn't negligent - ie. he could not reasonably presume his actions would cause this 1 in a million reaction. If he killed the chick in the Camry, then yes, but pinballing your bike off of a car that turned in front of you and into some schmuck on the side of the road... not so much.

Here it wouldn't necessarily be the speed that got him nailed, but rather the passing past an intersection. The rate of speed would likely be icing on the cake. A lot of icing, at that, considering statements like "...flipped multiple times before hitting..."

From the sounds of it, the speed was excessive. It was certainly excessive for the situation. Guilty, from where I sit.

[Full Throttle]

Im Voting Guilty. I dont like doing it but if the bike was traveling fast enough after the initial impact to kill a man then he must have been doing a pretty high rate of speed. I mean if a bike hits someone going 20-30 miles an hour its only going to be sliding on the ground. However if its flipping at 40-50 or more miles an hour then its much more likely its going to be a fatal result due to the flipping of the bike. I dont think if the bike was sliding the man would of died. He must of been hit from the bike flipping therefore the kid was really booking it down the road. You cant blame the Camry for pulling out because they cant judge the speed of a bike when its traveing fast right at you.


GUILTY!!!!

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Full Throttle

Im Voting Guilty. I dont like doing it but if the bike was traveling fast enough after the initial impact to kill a man then he must have been doing a pretty high rate of speed. I mean if a bike hits someone going 20-30 miles an hour its only going to be sliding on the ground. However if its flipping at 40-50 or more miles an hour then its much more likely its going to be a fatal result due to the flipping of the bike. I dont think if the bike was sliding the man would of died. He must of been hit from the bike flipping therefore the kid was really booking it down the road. You cant blame the Camry for pulling out because they cant judge the speed of a bike when its traveing fast right at you.


GUILTY!!!!

The bike flipping also has alot to do with how the bike landed. Things usually don't flip unless something trips them.

And WTF are u holding in your Avatar?

[Full Throttle]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

And WTF are u holding in your Avatar?

Idk i mean i just watched about 15 motorcycle crash videos. 99% just hit vehicle and stopped/ slid a few feet. None went flipping anywhere near the distance to make it across an intersection let alone fast enough to kill anyone.It would of had to be more than nearly 100 miles an hour to cause it to do that.


They are 2 Chainsaws lol. It was a wild night lol.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

The bike flipping also has alot to do with how the bike landed. Things usually don't flip unless something trips them.

And WTF are u holding in your Avatar?

Things that make a bike flip generally take a lot of energy out of the equation. One exception would be something that acts as a ramp, which is rare. I've seen a 100 MPH get-off on a 125GP bike that threw it 10-12 feet in the air and destroyed the frame on landing. Once. That sort of crash, at low speed, isn't generally possible.

[Tmall]

Also, if there is a yellow line (I can hardly make it out) it appears to indicate passing is allowed.