Rush your stroke wife to the Hospital = Jail Time

[Sixxxxer]

I doubt he Literally Blew the light...He probably stopped at it saw that it was clear to pass and then went thru it...And your right breaking the law IS breaking the law...But werent laws meant to be broken??

Cut me a break, Thats BS and the Cop is a Fuckbag

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by Sixxxxer

I doubt he Literally Blew the light...He probably stopped at it saw that it was clear to pass and then went thru it...And your right breaking the law IS breaking the law...But werent laws meant to be broken??

Cut me a break, Thats BS and the Cop is a Fuckbag

I think if he literally blew the light he would have gotten electrocuted and fallen.

[ericr]

Not saying the cops didn't go overboard on either case but common...what are 98%+ cases of people not stopping for a cop??? Drugs, DUI, fleeing from a crime etc. The cop is not gonna stop and say, "oh sure, go on in the hospital I believe you".

HAve some sense, get on the phone and call 911 and ask for an escort if you think the amber lamps cant' get to you quicker than you can get to them. And the football player should have stopped immediately and told the cop the situation and asked for an escort if he hadn't already called for one.

As soon as you don't stop for a cop, he's going to assume you're up to some criminal activity, and I would assume the same thing if I was a cop. They have a dangerous job and most cops that get killed are from routine traffic stops when someone pulls a gun on them. You don't think they're on edge after you run from them???

Don't get me wrong, some cops go way overboard and those are the ones you hear about on the news, not the other 98% that do a great job for next to nothing pay.

When my dad had his heart attack my mother took him to the ER. NOT speeding or running red lights, and when he got worse she called the amberlamps to come meet them part way which they did (hospital is 20 mi away here). She didnt get arrested cause she didn't break the law or run from a cop, go figure.

[Captain Morgan]

Originally Posted by derf

Me thinks that there is more to the story based on the list of charges. But I bet it was a dick cop too who didnt want to hear that the wife was going to the hospital, and made the situation worse by trying to arrest the guy right away rather than asses the situation

Originally Posted by ericr

Not saying the cops didn't go overboard on either case but common...what are 98%+ cases of people not stopping for a cop??? Drugs, DUI, fleeing from a crime etc. The cop is not gonna stop and say, "oh sure, go on in the hospital I believe you".

No, but common sense would tell you that horn honking, lights flashing, pulling up to hospital indicates something is wrong. Go with the guy into the ER and take care of the situation inside. Don't cause him grief or block him from getting his wife into ER. Wait for him to talk to people inside the hospital, get her checked in, then handle the situation.

I'm on a cop's side a good portion of the time, but I think this situation needed some use of common sense.

[ericr]

Originally Posted by Captain Morgan

No, but common sense would tell you that horn honking, lights flashing, pulling up to hospital indicates something is wrong. Go with the guy into the ER and take care of the situation inside. Don't cause him grief or block him from getting his wife into ER. Wait for him to talk to people inside the hospital, get her checked in, then handle the situation.

I'm on a cop's side a good portion of the time, but I think this situation needed some use of common sense.

I'm not necessarily on the cops side on either of these cases but you have to think about what you're doing in situations like this. It's the same as if you're carrying a concealed weapon and stop someone from commiting a crime. When the cops get there and you have a gun in your hand...you're the bad guy until they figure out what happened and you'll get shot if you don't immediatly follow their instructions to drop your gun etc. Doesn't matter if you did right, they're out to protect themselves and the "public". Again, i'm not saying they all do a great job at this, just playing devils' advocate.

It is hard for most people to think clearly in an emergency situation though and that makes it tough for everyone in cases like these. My problem is I tend to be almost too calm in some emergeny situations and people can think I don't give a damn, but I'm just assessing what's happening and I can usually act clearly and concisely then.

[Captain Morgan]

I agree, and probably should have clarified that most likely, the couple needed to use some common sense in the situation. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to rush past the cop or yelled at him, etc. They possibly didn't even try to explain to the cop, just rushed into the ER. I imagine both parties were at fault in this one.

[Evadd]

i think the whole thing is pretty simple. the cop was right to chase the car. however, once he saw a man pulling his stroke-having one-legged wife out of the car, he should have said "oh shit" instead of "i'm going to arrest you", and helped the guy out, rather than still try to stop him. the guy in the cop's uniform was way out of line once he found out what was really happening.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

Hey, the guy knew he was breaking the law. he did it to save his wifes life, maybe. So he must have understood the risks. Its still admirable, but he's pretty much like a mild version of batman. He's not the abulance his wife needed, but he's the one she deserved.

You cant have your cake and eat it too.

[Sixxxxer]

Nts do you understand the severity of a stroke and its effects on the human body? You would rather waste time waiting for the ambulance to come to your house? No thanks...the response time of driving yourself and your loved one to the hospital is ten fold over the ambulance response time...when you said her life wasn't in immediate danger...well that's just ignorance...just because someone isn't bleeding or losing a limb doesn't meant there not in immediate need of medical attention.

And with the ryan moats incident when the cop was threatening to tow the car I would said fuck it tow the damn thing and let me go to my dying mothers side...and people wonder why the world has such a dislike for police officers...granted most of the time they only get chastized by the bad they do and very rarely do we see the good cop stories in the world...but still...they are a symbol of "to protect and serve" your not protecting shit when you act like this

[cbrchick]

Originally Posted by NONE_too_SOFT

She wasnt bleeding or in immediate danger of loosing her life. She could have been given a blood thinner and anti-coagulant even easier via the paramedics. Not to mention that the symptoms of stroke can easily be confused with heat stroke or fatigue, two things a chemo patient would be easily susceptible too.


Somebody get Tommy in here for his 2c though, im just going off what i know from my facility and its red tape bullshit with the ER.

Uh....

You have to have a fairly hi-probability or lack of resources to give someone thrombolitics without a CT of their head. You don't know if it's a stroke caused by a clot or by a bleed in their head...

So no, paramedics can't give thinners based on their assessment. (not here anyway)

And stroke symptoms vs heat stroke and fatigue are easily differentiated.

I've never confused either for one another. Big differences between the two. IV fluids wont fix a stroke.

But as far as buddy calling EHS, I agree. If it's 10 mins away, call the paramedics.

Here we have a 3-6 hour window from the onset of symptoms to treat a clot based stroke with thinners. If you rush to the hospital, run red lights, and possibly cause more accidents by speeding... not the smartest thing to do.

Lights and sirens and a dedicated emergency vehicle do a lot to get people out of your way safely....

As far as the police officer... over reaction to a degree for sure....