Using throttle to control cornering arc?

[was92v]

Originally Posted by Fleck750

Someone else understands!!!!!

I've tried to explain this to people about the KZ, but they don't get it.

It was something I really enjoyed on the 1977 350 4 barrel Pontiac, too.

I also prefer the slides to be a mechanical connection, but you have to have ridden a bike with those type carbs enough to know the difference. Most folks on here haven't.

Your 77 Pauncho had vacuum operated secondaries unless it had an after market mechanical linkage carb on it. Back in prehistoric days, we used to use screws and such to force the secondaries to open with the linkage instead of waiting for the diaphragm to ease them open on carbs that we could rig it on, like a Holley.

[Speedracer42]

Throttle on corner entry means you are either going very slow (slower than you could be) or are very skilled. Generally speaking (except for adv riders) you should be done braking before the apex. Then you should pick up the throttle to what is referred to as maintenance throttle. It helps keep the bike and the suspension working properly. If you turn the bike in and simply shut the throttle off and leave it that way you will probably run wide and run the risk of losing the front via low side because of the added weight transferred to the front off throttle. This is of course very dependent on speed. As you continue through the corner toward exit you should be continually and gradually opening the throttle.

[OTB]

...you guys crack me up!

Read the first bloody post, for God's sake!

It is a skill, a technique, just another trick you SHOULD have in your kitbag.

Some of you do it without thinking about it, some of you follow a rote formula....brakes on, slowing, brakes off, initiate turn-in, hit apex, begin acceleration, exit turn........ which is fine on trackdays and the twisties......

BUT....usually I gotta put a lot of miles on to do either.... this is a technique for day-to-day riding when I'm not WFO, to smooth out my arc through less-than-smooth bends at less than max speeds. Like the freeway, the roads leading to the freeway, ect.

Depending on the bike, when I'm droning down the road from point A to B, I rest my throttle-hand index finger on the throttle housing; I can then use the support to fine-tune both my speed and arc through turns without making gross changes.....the name of the game is SMOOOOTH.......

Remember, it's just another little technique to throw in your repertoire.

[Sean]

Interesting thread. My line doesn't really tighten when I roll off the throttle, but it's because if I'm rolling off the throttle mid-corner it's because I've fugged up and my ass-puckerage is making the thing stand up

[fasternyou929]

It's incredible how many people on here, frequent riders, are arguing against one of the basic principles of riding. Increasing speed decreases turning radius?!?! That must be why we all slow down for turns, right?

The arguments about weight transfer to the front causing loss of traction only applies if you don't have good throttle control, which the technique assumes you have figured out. Tached posted up a technique everybody on this board should know. If you don't, you should learn it.

[tached1000rr]

Oh well it works for me, I basically wanted to get a good discussion going. I'm not the fastest rider or most skilled rider on this forum BUT I'm always willing to look at ways to improve my skills, add different ones to my toolbox and generally "not limit my self or my thinking"

[askmrjesus]

A. Lee Parks is a dipshit.

B. What works for a twin, doesn't always work the same with an inline four, or a thumper.

C. Did I mention that Lee Parks is a dipshit?

<<<<Backs away, watches heads explode.

JC

[No Worries]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

A. Lee Parks is a dipshit.

B. What works for a twin, doesn't always work the same with an inline four, or a thumper.

C. Did I mention that Lee Parks is a dipshit?

<<<<Backs away, watches heads explode.

JC

Why do you say that? I've met him twice and he's a real motorcyclist. He may look like a dipshit, but his book is way more simple and easy to understand than Code's two books. And Parks' Total Control class was terrific.

Some riders still believe that the bike is more important than the rider's skill. On steep, downhill, twisty roads, I have caught up with bikes that had twice as much horsepower and a third of the weigh of my thirty-year-old bike with steel frame, bias-ply tube-tires, 35mm air-forks, dual shocks, and an air-cooled engine with built-up crank, mechanical ignition advance, two-valves per cylinder, 26mm carbs, and a centerstand. You don't see any of those things on new bikes, because they've all been improved (except for the centerstand). The best thing I improved was my skills by reading Parks' book, taking his class, and practicing.

By the way, where are these 100MPH sweepers? The highways near me are so crowded and patrolled, it's rare to go 90 on straights.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by No Worries

Why do you say that? I've met him twice and he's a real motorcyclist. He may look like a dipshit, but his book is way more simple and easy to understand than Code's two books. And Parks' Total Control class was terrific.

Asshole owes me money, and no, I'm not kidding.

Code is a Scientologist. I can't make heads or tails out of what he says either. As for Parks' book...meh. I didn't find it to be anymore insightful from what you could learn at an advanced MSF course.

If it works for you, cool. I just don't like the guy because he's a lying cocksucker that owes me money, so I'm biased.

JC

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by No Worries

Why do you say that? I've met him twice and he's a real motorcyclist. He may look like a dipshit, but his book is way more simple and easy to understand than Code's two books. And Parks' Total Control class was terrific.

Some riders still believe that the bike is more important than the rider's skill. On steep, downhill, twisty roads, I have caught up with bikes that had twice as much horsepower and a third of the weigh of my thirty-year-old bike with steel frame, bias-ply tube-tires, 35mm air-forks, dual shocks, and an air-cooled engine with built-up crank, mechanical ignition advance, two-valves per cylinder, 26mm carbs, and a centerstand. You don't see any of those things on new bikes, because they've all been improved (except for the centerstand). The best thing I improved was my skills by reading Parks' book, taking his class, and practicing.

By the way, where are these 100MPH sweepers? The highways near me are so crowded and patrolled, it's rare to go 90 on straights.

Come on down! Once you get away from the main highways, the cops pretty much leave you alone around here. Lots of sweepers!