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Tig, I think the other guys covered it for me, but in regards to your argument that the world would be okay without many species is really rather ignorant of you. You usually back your stuff up better than that.
Did you know that right now, due to some strange world effect we are losing all the honey bees? That they require assistance to keep doing their jobs? Do you realize that without the bees, plants wont get polinated (things we use for food) therefore they wont procreate and the plants will die out, leaving a void? And since we kinda need plants for the air we breathe, I consider that a pretty important function. That in some countries humans are now having to polinate plants themselves to keep them alive? (Japan, and I think its the Cherry Blossom trees. They are using paint brushes to try and mimic the bees work so the plants dont all die.) This is just one example, but the point is, EVERYTHING has a place. Ignorance and extermination have already destroyed many incredible species. As far as this wolf goes, looks like it was an incredible animal, and probably doing a DAMN good job of culling the deer based on his healthy look, and you of all people should appreciate deer removal (as they are a species that needs culling not only b/c you keep hitting them.) ![]() |
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Let's say that we eliminated the deer, now what vital need is there for wolves? Rabbits? But wouldn't the fox population increase through the greater availability of food and thus control the rabbit population? I know that this is WAY over simplified but as I said the world has seen the coming and going of thousands/millions of species and somehow it's still here. Heck, 90%+ of ALL life on Earth has been exterminated TWICE and it's still managed to come back! How really important are those damn cherries anyway? Grow oranges instead, or pines or whatever. Most of your reactions are emotional and not necessarily logical. If it were up to you all we'd still have saber tooth tigers and raptors running around. Of course you know I'm just fucking with you all but some will have to admit that quite often, animal rights types will come out against killing ANY animal regardless of the circumstances. Is that slightly better Rae? |
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The difference is when animals die out naturally, it is the Earths way of balancing things out. When Man comes along and arbitrarily destroys life because he can, or its in his way or he gets the creeps from that particular animal, he is unbalancing the natural order of things, which thus allows the whole thing to come unwound.
Why do you suppose we have an overabundace of deer? Because we wiped out their natural predators (among other reasons, but this one is magor). We use the bees as an example because they are necessary to the existence of food bearing plants that we need to survive. Lets say you clumsily destroy a bees hive, they attack you, you kill them all. You just destroyed not only their home and lives, but you took away two possible food sources for humans. The honey the bees make, and the fruit born on the trees the bees would have polinized. And yes, you are right in that some animals do need controlling, however they need that controlling because of mans folly in the first place. If you notice, I am a proponent of stopping needless slaughter (like this wolf), not necessary measures.
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Without them we would have a massive overpopulation problem that we are starting to have now. I understand where you are coming from Tigger and some animal rights people/groups do go way overboard was just making a point. However I do wish we still had raptors and saber tooths running around, would make jogging more of a sport than a hobby. It would also make shit like this possible ![]() ![]() which would just be awesome. |
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There was even a species introduced on LI about 40 yrs ago. There were no lizzards on LI but a pet sotre had a crate of skinks break open and about 40 of em got out. There is a creek/drainage basin behind the pet sotore and enough got out there and they thrived. I guess theres enough predators here that their numbers stayed in control and you see them every now and then around the creeks. Elusive lil buggers though. The bigger thing up here is if a species like that can survive the winters we have in NY. |
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