Ping Ebbs (HDR)

[AquaPython]

so what you are saying is that it's ok in Trip's big book of validity as long as one does not touch the white / black point sliders when processing HDR photos?

[Trip]

Originally Posted by AquaPython

so what you are saying is that it's ok in Trip's big book of validity as long as one does not touch the white / black point sliders when processing HDR photos?

No, I don't like multiple exposure HDR either.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by Trip

The white and black sliders are adding data that wasn't there to get your result. That is editing a photo, the same as any photoshop filter. A true HDR photo is taken in different exposures and is true data, not post editted to get a false HDR.

No. the data is there... in the RAW format.

take for example... a .jpg... try to adjust the exposure. doesn't take much before the photo looks like shit... because it doesn't have the data and has to "guess"

do the same with a .raw image... and you can do MUCH more. because that info is there (again still a range) just because you can't see it in the initial preview, doesn't mean the camera doesn't capture it.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by eBBs15

No. the data is there... in the RAW format.

take for example... a .jpg... try to adjust the exposure. doesn't take much before the photo looks like shit... because it doesn't have the data and has to "guess"

do the same with a .raw image... and you can do MUCH more. because that info is there (again still a range) just because you can't see it in the initial preview, doesn't mean the camera doesn't capture it.

You are still doing the same thing changing the white point/contrast of the same file, a .raw is pretty much like a negative on film. There is a little more info there that makes it easier to play with contrast and change light color, but it's not the same as capturing different exposures to gather even more light info.

[Mr Lefty]

which chapter of "Trips book of everything" is this info on?

[AquaPython]

Originally Posted by eBBs15

I use Photomatrix and Lightroom only... I have never even tried PS... it's too much for me...

so what I do, is inport my Raw Files directly into Lightroom from the Camera or Memory Card. then using a Plug in found Here it imports it directly into Photomatrix.

I do the merge and tone mapping, then when it's rendered the product is automatically imported back into Lightroom.

from there you can save as .jpg if you want.

ok so i only have PM 3.0 and not the newer one that has the add on, do you have it? if so, PM me please.

it was also a big pain to get my .CR2's to open up in PS, etc, but i still havent gotten them to show up in lightroom 2.3

[Trip]

Originally Posted by eBBs15

which chapter of "Trips book of everything" is this info on?

get that sand out of your vagina.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by AquaPython

ok so i only have PM 3.0 and not the newer one that has the add on, do you have it? if so, PM me please.

it was also a big pain to get my .CR2's to open up in PS, etc, but i still havent gotten them to show up in lightroom 2.3

the add on? the add on I have is for lightroom... but I only have 3.0 for PM. I don't use PS at all... don't even have it.

Originally Posted by Trip

get that sand out of your vagina.

too much... can you help?

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

HDR is exactly like aerials. An attempt to hide shit no one wants to see.

HDR can look good when done well, but usually it's absolute over-pushed crap. Damned near every time someone posts a HDR effort on one of the photo forums I'm on, I have to bite my tongue and hide my keyboard so that I don't ask all of the "oooooo..... ahhhhhhh" posters if they've lost their fucking minds.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by AquaPython

or anyone else...

so i got my canon SLR a few weeks ago and started taking RAW shots to play with HDR the "right" way.

after messing with codecs and adobe updates to be able to read the new canon raw CR2 files, and pull them into CS4 (windows 7 , 64 bit) , i finally got into the HDR process.

So here is what i tried first:
1)
opened a single CR2 file. it loads onto a RAW reader window, where i can slide some exposure and other settings. I tried first to save several different exposures as Adobe raw files called "digital negatives" or something to that effect. DNF files i think?
2)
then under automation..HDR i brought these DNF files in but they are all the same, without the changed settings (which means i guess it is still a raw that has all settings in it, not just one....)

ok

so i went back to 1) did the same thing but saved as Jpegs.
back to 2) but when i selected the Jpegs for the HDR process, it posts a warning about how i really should be using RAW files for best quality HDRs !
wtf?
i said OK and went ahead with it, but the results were not too hot.

i went to pirate bay and DL'd photomatix 3 pro and ran the same jpeg pics with much better looking HDR.

only thing is, either way they only save as Tiffs, and CS4 doesnt allow me to save AS jpeg?


so i am little confused in the process here. any help would be appreciated.

also if i have the raw, is Lightroom not necessary? i think you said at one point that light room is best used to make the different exposures of an existing Jpeg, when you dont have the Raw. yes?

I'm not going to get into the HDR debate, but there is a guy on our local forum that can will convert your images into HDR format, for a nominal fee.

He also offers PS classes, for a nominal fee.