Does anyone really give a shit about Joe the Plumber?

[Rider]

I don't give a fuck about Joe.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Why? Was all the coverage of Joe NOT just simply a distraction? I mean, where's the story with this guy?

Of course it was a distraction. Damned near the whole election was a distraction, when you go back over what was considered to be important in the media. In this case he set himself up to be a distraction, by being less than truthful in an attempt to take a public shot. The media jumped on it and he had no one but himself (and maybe McCain) to blame.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Dumber than hide-bound voters who vote for 'their' party, year in and year out, no matter what the members of that party do or what new issues may have arisen? Someone who does that sounds about as smart as a rock, to me.

I'm stating that the Parties are (or were atleast) so far apart politically that if decided to vote for a valid party you either sided with one or the other. Someone who embraces socialism but wants free pot isn't going to decide between the Republicans and Democrats. They are going to go for the Democrats. Someone who wants no abortions and a more conservative government is going to side with the Democrats.

But someone who's not sure which party to choose. Either they are just saying they are independent voters so that their shithole of a state gets some attention every 4 years. Or you really have no clue that you want because both sides have completely opposite ideas of how to run things.

It'd be like saying "I want to cruise the nation in comfort but I can't decide between a Goldwing and a Desmosedici"

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

I'm stating that the Parties are (or were atleast) so far apart politically that if decided to vote for a valid party you either sided with one or the other. Someone who embraces socialism but wants free pot isn't going to decide between the Republicans and Democrats. They are going to go for the Democrats. Someone who wants no abortions and a more conservative government is going to side with the Democrats.

But someone who's not sure which party to choose. Either they are just saying they are independent voters so that their shithole of a state gets some attention every 4 years. Or you really have no clue that you want because both sides have completely opposite ideas of how to run things.

It'd be like saying "I want to cruise the nation in comfort but I can't decide between a Goldwing and a Desmosedici"

That may have been true at some nebulous point in the distant past, but hasn't been for some time. Other social and cultural issues have crept into politics, to the point that a significant percentage of voters have no real party representation. From that poitn it becomes a matter of choosing the side that is least bad for your particular views, rather than the one that supports your beliefs.

I have said on many occasions and will say again that the United States no longer has a conservative party. All that you have is two parties who want to spend your money on their different personal agendas.

[z06boy]

Nope

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

I have said on many occasions and will say again that the United States no longer has a conservative party. All that you have is two parties who want to spend your money on their different personal agendas.

True. Reminds me of a quote by P.J. O'Rourke who is the fucking man...
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.