Jett Travolta

[azoomm]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

AHH ok... yeah... I always get my history mixed up...

and Pol Pot's wrath was because of someone taking the last juice box...

Now, if it would have been the last beer like in the Bolshevik Revolution....

[Mr Lefty]

Or the power outage durring the last 15 minutes of the game that caused the Nanking Massacare

[2up]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

if that last treatment... the very last one... had worked and she lived even till she was 20... would you still have the same view? would the pain then not be worth it?

I completely understand what your saying... but I think the fact that it didn't work makes it seem all so pointless...


just wondering... but was your niece aware? I mean did she know she had this problem and it was taking her life? like was her problem one that impared communication of her view and opinion on the matter?

No, the pain would not have been worth it I don't think. The reason I am saying this is because the last treatment they were giving her was human growth hormone to try and get her to grow so that they could do surgery using tissue/bone (I don't remember exactly what) to fix her trachea so she could MAYBE breathe without her tracheostomy. The negative effects of that did not outweigh the possible positive.

Even if it hadn't probably caused her seizure, (threw off her daily anti-seizure dosage) which isn't what killed her really, it was oxygen deprivation because the nurse (she had nurses 24/7) couldn't get the oxygen tank valve open immediately, the anti-seizure meds my sis had didn't help, the paramedics took too long to get there, and then they didn't have anti-seizure meds they should have had with them, all of which resulted in multiple organ failure, it really didn't do what it was supposed to and did a lot of things that just weren't good.

And we don't know what she was aware of. She was never able to speak, having had a trach since infancy. She did have cognitive thinking abilities and learned some sign language but, we never really knew what she thought about anything.

Again I will say, we don't know the details. And even if we did, we don't know what its like to have to choose medical treatments that often cause as much harm as good for someone we love. If he wasn't a Scientologist, but didn't believe in taking extraordinary measures to sustain a life because of that, would he be bashed for it? If his intentions REALLY were because he didn't want to see his son suffer, would that make it OK? I think it's more our fear of death and letting go of someone that causes people to cling to life, often times irrespective of it's quality.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by 2up

No, the pain would not have been worth it I don't think. The reason I am saying this is because the last treatment they were giving her was human growth hormone to try and get her to grow so that they could do surgery using tissue/bone (I don't remember exactly what) to fix her trachea so she could MAYBE breathe without her tracheostomy. The negative effects of that did not outweigh the possible positive.

fair enough... usually people get kinda blinded by the idea of just one more treatment and it'll all be worth it. type mentality. and having never been in that situation I can't cast judgment on it... but I know just from being near my mom at the time of my grandmothers death... It'd be insanely hard for me to end a loved ones life... even if they were just a shell of their former self.

Originally Posted by 2up

Even if it hadn't probably caused her seizure, (threw off her daily anti-seizure dosage) which isn't what killed her really, it was oxygen deprivation because the nurse (she had nurses 24/7) couldn't get the oxygen tank valve open immediately, the anti-seizure meds my sis had didn't help, the paramedics took too long to get there, and then they didn't have anti-seizure meds they should have had with them, all of which resulted in multiple organ failure, it really didn't do what it was supposed to and did a lot of things that just weren't good.

And we don't know what she was aware of. She was never able to speak, having had a trach since infancy. She did have cognitive thinking abilities and learned some sign language but, we never really knew what she thought about anything.

interesting... for me that's what really matters... what does the person want? if they're just tired of living... let them go!... nothing more cruel than force'n someone through painful treatment after painful treatment for selfish reasons

[Trip]

Originally Posted by 2up

Again I will say, we don't know the details. And even if we did, we don't know what its like to have to choose medical treatments that often cause as much harm as good for someone we love. If he wasn't a Scientologist, but didn't believe in taking extraordinary measures to sustain a life because of that, would he be bashed for it? If his intentions REALLY were because he didn't want to see his son suffer, would that make it OK? I think it's more our fear of death and letting go of someone that causes people to cling to life, often times irrespective of it's quality.

I am not talking about taking extraordinary measures like experimental operations or last ditch efforts, I am talking simple standard health care throught the kids life. This isn't a case of not being able to afford that either, he could of bought Jett his own top of the line hospital.

This is more like say someone had a mental disorder, well that mental disorder is easily treatable with a little pill (not saying Jett's was, just an example.) The parent refuses to accept that mental disorders exist and that people who have them are lesser human beings because they can't will their way to being healthy and normal, so they don't allow the kid to take the meds. Well the kid goes insane and starts harming people and finally kills a bunch of people including himself. Would you consider that neglect?

[CrazyKell]

Originally Posted by lauralynne

why are we even DEBATING THIS????

A father lost his son. A son is supposed to burry his father, not the other way around. We'll never know what really happened. IT DOESN"T MATTER. John Travolta is the only one with all the details and he is the only one who has to live with his parenting decisions the rest of his life. Good bad or otherwise. We all parent to the best of our abilities.

RIP Jett. Regardless of circumstances.

Thank you. I will never understand the morbid curiosity of the general public.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by azoomm

I am curious why Scientology is "ignorant" but other religions are not...

[Homeslice]

Because Scientology is all about giving up thousands of dollars of your money, mandatory, in order to acheive enlightenment.......That's a little different than a real religion.

BTW, is Kawasaki Syndrome a legitimate disease recognized by real doctors? Or is it one of those things like "energy deficiency syndrome" that isn't accepted by most?

[Rider]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Because Scientology is all about giving up thousands of dollars of your money, mandatory, in order to acheive enlightenment.......That's a little different than a real religion.

BTW, is Kawasaki Syndrome a legitimate disease recognized by real doctors? Or is it one of those things like "energy deficiency syndrome" that isn't accepted by most?

I'm pretty sure it's real. The son of a close friend of ours had it when he was young. He is 10 and he is perfectly normal now.

[Rsv1000R]

Some of the reports I heard said medical officials said Jett was getting the anti-seizure medicines he needed.
Just because they didn't want to say he had autism, doesn't mean he wasn't being well taken care of.