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Old 11-19-2010, 09:48 AM   #71
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Some very good points brought up here especially with the kids...females in skirts with no panties etc. If they can't detect a tampon or anything up your rectum do they not think terrorist are reading this and saying "humm....ok...no problem".

Someone brought up liquid explosives....soooooooo....what about people with a Colostomy Bag ? Ok so who's to say what is really in it ?

Boy isn't this just grand ?
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:21 AM   #72
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I get patted down every time in some overseas airports, and they don't find it necessary to run all the way up to my junk. I'm with the Israelis on this one... rely on looking at the people and their behavior, not inspecting everything ad nauseum.
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:25 AM   #73
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I understand people's concern about their kids, but WTF do you care if you get patted down yourself? I would much rather get pat down than help pay for some stupid $200,000 machine that doesn't really accomplish shit except exposing me to radiation.
It's people like you that will ensure that this stupidity won't stop until the TSA requires a full cavity search of EVERYONE before we can board an airplane.

It's fucking assinine....not to mention infuriating.

WTF do I care if I get patted down?! Seriously?! You would file, and win, an assault charge if someone touched you that way any where else in public.

What is so wrong with profiling those, behaviorly or otherwise, most likely to cause trouble and stop with the obscenely intrusive "security" measures that are a political grandstand rather than a REAL attempt at providinig security anyway? It works elsewhere....why not here?

If we are truly serious about stopping those committed to causing the flying public harm, why not focus our efforts on THEM. It's not like recent history has made it difficult to isolate which segment of the flying public the bombers come from.
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:30 AM   #74
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Does this mean I can save my $35 co-pay for a yearly physical and just have a TSA agent perform my prostate check every time I fly?
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:45 AM   #75
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Hey, you may be on to something. I'll take it further, since they now touch women's breasts straight on now too, I say we could do Breast Cancer screening exams , Prostate exams, and even Testicular Cancer screenings and Pap smears for flyers.

We'd still be inconveniencing everyone, and embarrassing everyone, but at least it would be of benefit to everyone.

Paternalism. If you're gonna look in my diaper, daddy, you need to change it if there's poop there.

Maybe the government shouldn't be in our asses.
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:47 AM   #76
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Someone brought up liquid explosives....soooooooo....what about people with a Colostomy Bag ? Ok so who's to say what is really in it ?

Medical supplies are exempt from the rules, you can carry as much liquid on a plane as you want if its labeled medical supplies. You can put a label on a 2 liter bottle of soda and write, in your hand writing, saline solution, and it would pass.

You can even exempt some of your carry on stuff from the xray if you say its radiation sensative medical testing equipment for disease XXX. They arent even supposed to ask you anything other than "is this medical supplies". Oh and how about a bottle of O2, I mean one of those big bottles grandpa carries around on a little walker, yeh they are big open bomb ready grenades.

If someone gets caught trying to do something then they are stupid terrorists and deserve to get caught. Any smart terrorist with 1/2 a brain, a computer and a printer can get through security (even if he is on the no fly list), shove whatever he wants up his ass and inside "medical supplies" and take down a plane.

Problem is that it is bad showmanship, its a slide of the hand where you leave the one card you want to slide on the table, face up. And its legalized sexual molestation and kiddie porn (backscatter images saved on an HD of little kids too) on a grand scale. Its intrusive, personal, and doesnt work.

Look in the isrealification thread. They do shit right, training, multilayer HUMINT, and open ended questions that everyone has to answer.
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Old 11-19-2010, 10:49 AM   #77
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If you're OK with the fact that strangers will grope and take naked scans of your wives, your mothers, and your daughters, then remain silent on this, and just COMPLY.

Otherwise, speak up, because this is wrong.

Speak up.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:07 AM   #78
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I get patted down every time in some overseas airports, and they don't find it necessary to run all the way up to my junk. I'm with the Israelis on this one... rely on looking at the people and their behavior, not inspecting everything ad nauseum.
Did you read all of it? They DO inspect you and your bags.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:12 AM   #79
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If we are truly serious about stopping those committed to causing the flying public harm, why not focus our efforts on THEM. It's not like recent history has made it difficult to isolate which segment of the flying public the bombers come from.
I'm finding it hard to figure out what you propose. Additional screening of anyone who "looks" Muslim? Sorry, that isn't going to fly (pun intended).

Hell, you don't even have proof that the Israelis are doing that kind of profiling, yet you're alluding to it as if they are and that therefore it's a great strategy.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:18 AM   #80
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If you're OK with the fact that strangers will grope and take naked scans of your wives, your mothers, and your daughters, then remain silent on this, and just COMPLY.

Otherwise, speak up, because this is wrong.

Speak up.
You know what makes me sad? It's that people actually believe that posting their outrage via facebook or other similar medium is making a difference. That is their only involvement...
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