For you pistol nuts

Method · 07-02-2011, 12:10 AM

I know, I know - holy crap a thread by Method. I'm a huge lurker these days, but pretty rarely post, much less create a thread.

Way I figure it, a bunch of you guys are huge gun buffs, and I happen to be in the market for advice and a couple of pistols.

I know it's all about personal preference, and I still need to go down to a few ranges and rent the guns I'm interested in, but want to come prepared not only with my selections, but some of your suggestions as well.

I'm looking for a plinker for the range, likely chambered in either 22, 9mm or 25. I'm leaning towards 9mm since it can be a great home defense pistol for my wife and serve as a dual purpose as my (and hers) range plinker.

I'm also in the market for a pistol mainly for home defense, with the option of CC. Not interested in a shotgun, though I know those can be ideal, pending the type of house. I'm looking for something chambered likely in 38, 40 or possibly 45 acp. This will probably vary based on how well the gun shoots and what feels the most comfortable.

What I'm currently planning on shooting and looking at are:

Sig P226 and P229. I like the extra barrel length on the 226, but like the slightly smaller size option for CC with the P229.
Sprinfield XD40
Glock 40

Budget is going to be around 600-800 per pistol, not including accessories.

There are a TON of other guns and gun makers out there. Any suggestions?

Rangerscott · 07-02-2011, 12:24 AM

Home defense and plinking usually don't mix.

For home defense either get the shortess legal shotty or a .45. For plinking get a 9mm. I don't see .22 a good plinking round for practice since the kick is so much less than a center fired round. Not saying .22 isn't fun to shoot I just wouldn't it would be good to practice with, get used to it, then be a completely different world when it's time to use a bigger round and be thrown off guard by the kick.

Adeptus_Minor · 07-02-2011, 12:39 AM

If you're getting more than one, you could always go for the 22lr Sig Mosquito.
While it doesn't kick like a larger round, it'd help you develop the necessary comfort with the common Sig frame. They're less than $300.

There are also .22 conversion kits for Glocks, I know... maybe for the XD too.
That would make it economical to shoot regularly but allow you to simply swap some parts to get your defense capability in a weapon you're comfortable with.

Cutty72 · 07-02-2011, 01:29 AM

I love my XD.
Need to get off of all these flood duty's so I can start shooting again.

Porkchop · 07-02-2011, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cutty72

I love my XD.
Need to get off of all these flood duty's so I can start shooting again.

This. Even though mine is the 9 and not the 40.

I generally stay away from Glocks. I have shot 3, have hated 2, and the other was only meh. Even the work issued 17 had multiple mis-feeds. Scary shit. I know you can run them over, sink them in water, and pour sand down the barrel and they say they still shoot, but I'll stick to other brands.

nhgunnut · 07-02-2011, 05:31 AM

When Elmer Kieth (famous gun journalist ) was asked if a .22 was a good defense weapon he responded "Beats the hell out of your fingernails!" The two strengths of a .22 are ammo costs $.03 per round and ease of use . The minimal recoil and relativity mild report make this a very easy round to practice with. I have a more than a few calibers to choose from when I shoot but the venerable .22 gets the most use for just those reasons. Here in my relatively rural setting (to have a house here you it has to be on 5 acres) I have fired 10 of thousand of .22 with no complaints from my neighbors, including the my next door neighbor who is our police chief. As far as defense goes, with good shot placement a .22 will do, the lack of significant recoil makes a follow up shot much easier in indoor settings over penetration risk is greatly minimized (a round through a wall and into a unintended target)
A good choice in .22 is the good old Ruger Mk 2 there are lots of other choices but the Ruger is well known reasonably priced and reliable.
Personally I would stay away from a .25 the ammo is expensive with no significant improvement of the the .22
The 9mm is a good round with ammo costs reasonable $21 for a box of ball I think. Recoil is easily managed, the report is is significant so firing discreetly without can is difficult and this may limit casual plinking options. Meaning practice sessions may require a trip to the range rather than the back yard. The 9 has a fair record as a man stopper and its big selling point has always been magazine capacity in ban states you get 10 rounds. That's 4 more than the good old reliable .38 revolver ( a weapon with the same stopping power , much more reliable than a semi, generally more accurate and is far less finicky about ammo choice ) When my wife carries a 9 mm she loves her Walther P99 (but she usually has carries her S&W .38 air-weight) when I carry a 9mm is is an XD Sub Compact . Glocks are good and I have carried with good reliability a couple variations of the CZ 75 in 9mm.
I hope this helps, but I will mention yet again if you are going to buy a gun practice with it as often as you can, think about the things that will limit that practice. If it is likely that you practice time is going to be less than once a month , think seriously about a Double Action revolver. Incredibly easy to operate (the original point and click) the don't jam (without a welding torch) more accurate and much less finicky about what you feed it.
Hope this helps

nhgunnut · 07-02-2011, 05:32 AM

When Elmer Kieth (famous gun journalist ) was asked if a .22 was a good defense weapon he responded "Beats the hell out of your fingernails!" The two strengths of a .22 are ammo costs $.03 per round and ease of use . The minimal recoil and relativity mild report make this a very easy round to practice with. I have a more than a few calibers to choose from when I shoot but the venerable .22 gets the most use for just those reasons. Here in my relatively rural setting (to have a house here you it has to be on 5 acres) I have fired 10 of thousand of .22 with no complaints from my neighbors, including the my next door neighbor who is our police chief. As far as defense goes, with good shot placement a .22 will do, the lack of significant recoil makes a follow up shot much easier in indoor settings over penetration risk is greatly minimized (a round through a wall and into a unintended target)
A good choice in .22 is the good old Ruger Mk 2 there are lots of other choices but the Ruger is well known reasonably priced and reliable.
Personally I would stay away from a .25 the ammo is expensive with no significant improvement of the the .22
The 9mm is a good round with ammo costs reasonable $21 for a box of ball I think. Recoil is easily managed, the report is is significant so firing discreetly without can is difficult and this may limit casual plinking options. Meaning practice sessions may require a trip to the range rather than the back yard. The 9 has a fair record as a man stopper and its big selling point has always been magazine capacity in ban states you get 10 rounds. That's 4 more than the good old reliable .38 revolver ( a weapon with the same stopping power , much more reliable than a semi, generally more accurate and is far less finicky about ammo choice ) When my wife carries a 9 mm she loves her Walther P99 (but she usually has carries her S&W .38 air-weight) when I carry a 9mm is is an XD Sub Compact . Glocks are good and I have carried with good reliability a couple variations of the CZ 75 in 9mm.
I hope this helps, but I will mention yet again if you are going to buy a gun practice with it as often as you can, think about the things that will limit that practice. If it is likely that you practice time is going to be less than once a month , think seriously about a Double Action revolver. Incredibly easy to operate (the original point and click) the don't jam (without a welding torch) more accurate and much less finicky about what you feed it.
Hope this helps

Dave · 07-02-2011, 07:55 AM

Walther p22 is a blast

Corey · 07-02-2011, 08:01 AM

Get a hands on with any pistol you're interested in and put rounds through it. I could write page after page after page of what guns I like and recommend and why, and then give you a list of shit I'd love to pick up for various reason. Honestly, it'd mean nothing. Holding and shooting will give you a much better idea of how well a gun will work for you, especially when it counts. Some ergonomics are hit or miss (glock). Some may naturally point better and be easier for you to shoot accurately with less practice. How a gun handles recoil and how reliably it feeds could be the difference between just a rental and a definite purchase.You're going to have to hold them, and possibly shoot them.

That said, I carry a Glock 27. It works, it's accurate, but with the price of .40 and the slightly sharp recoil, I'm not sure I'd use it as a plinker in any sense of the word. When I'm not carrying the Glock, I have a S&W 637. It's easy to conceal and shoots pretty well. Nhgunnut touched on a favorite of mine. A CZ is an underrated, great shooting gun that can be had at a very nice price. I've got a CZ40B that is, without a doubt, my favorite pistol of the group. If it was a touch smaller, I'd conceal it. My father picked up a CZ75D Compact recently. It's a beautiful gun that I'd love to own. It's a gun that just fits incredibly well in my hand. Definitely check out a CZ. They're fantastic guns with a really nice trigger. My next gun will most likely be a CZ in 9mm.

Homeslice · 07-02-2011, 09:15 AM

You should be able to get a cheap Ruger 22 for only $200

As for home defense, the whole "9mm isn't enough" is so stale. Not only do most burglars not even pack a gun, but if the homeowner defends themself do you really think the burglar is going to go "oh it's only a 9mm". The idea that someone is going to keep charging at you after being shot only applies to doped-out street attackers, not home invaders. Save money and get what is cheaper and more common --- 9mm. Why buy a gun that you're going to feel bad every time you plunk down money for ammo -- it's just going to get on your nerves, especially as a new gun owner.

07-02-2011, 12:10 AM	#1
Method Canyon Carver Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Portland, OR Moto: MTA Posts: 416	For you pistol nuts I know, I know - holy crap a thread by Method. I'm a huge lurker these days, but pretty rarely post, much less create a thread. Way I figure it, a bunch of you guys are huge gun buffs, and I happen to be in the market for advice and a couple of pistols. I know it's all about personal preference, and I still need to go down to a few ranges and rent the guns I'm interested in, but want to come prepared not only with my selections, but some of your suggestions as well. I'm looking for a plinker for the range, likely chambered in either 22, 9mm or 25. I'm leaning towards 9mm since it can be a great home defense pistol for my wife and serve as a dual purpose as my (and hers) range plinker. I'm also in the market for a pistol mainly for home defense, with the option of CC. Not interested in a shotgun, though I know those can be ideal, pending the type of house. I'm looking for something chambered likely in 38, 40 or possibly 45 acp. This will probably vary based on how well the gun shoots and what feels the most comfortable. What I'm currently planning on shooting and looking at are: Sig P226 and P229. I like the extra barrel length on the 226, but like the slightly smaller size option for CC with the P229. Sprinfield XD40 Glock 40 Budget is going to be around 600-800 per pistol, not including accessories. There are a TON of other guns and gun makers out there. Any suggestions?

07-02-2011, 12:39 AM	#3
Adeptus_Minor Hopster Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, TX Moto: 2009 Buell 1125R Posts: 4,743	If you're getting more than one, you could always go for the 22lr Sig Mosquito. While it doesn't kick like a larger round, it'd help you develop the necessary comfort with the common Sig frame. They're less than $300. There are also .22 conversion kits for Glocks, I know... maybe for the XD too. That would make it economical to shoot regularly but allow you to simply swap some parts to get your defense capability in a weapon you're comfortable with. __________________ “Well, obviously before; after was all gendarmes and dick stitches.”

07-02-2011, 05:31 AM	#6
nhgunnut gun totin redneck Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South West New Hampshire Moto: turbo busa 999 Duc Goldwing & Victory Posts: 1,130	When Elmer Kieth (famous gun journalist ) was asked if a .22 was a good defense weapon he responded "Beats the hell out of your fingernails!" The two strengths of a .22 are ammo costs $.03 per round and ease of use . The minimal recoil and relativity mild report make this a very easy round to practice with. I have a more than a few calibers to choose from when I shoot but the venerable .22 gets the most use for just those reasons. Here in my relatively rural setting (to have a house here you it has to be on 5 acres) I have fired 10 of thousand of .22 with no complaints from my neighbors, including the my next door neighbor who is our police chief. As far as defense goes, with good shot placement a .22 will do, the lack of significant recoil makes a follow up shot much easier in indoor settings over penetration risk is greatly minimized (a round through a wall and into a unintended target) A good choice in .22 is the good old Ruger Mk 2 there are lots of other choices but the Ruger is well known reasonably priced and reliable. Personally I would stay away from a .25 the ammo is expensive with no significant improvement of the the .22 The 9mm is a good round with ammo costs reasonable $21 for a box of ball I think. Recoil is easily managed, the report is is significant so firing discreetly without can is difficult and this may limit casual plinking options. Meaning practice sessions may require a trip to the range rather than the back yard. The 9 has a fair record as a man stopper and its big selling point has always been magazine capacity in ban states you get 10 rounds. That's 4 more than the good old reliable .38 revolver ( a weapon with the same stopping power , much more reliable than a semi, generally more accurate and is far less finicky about ammo choice ) When my wife carries a 9 mm she loves her Walther P99 (but she usually has carries her S&W .38 air-weight) when I carry a 9mm is is an XD Sub Compact . Glocks are good and I have carried with good reliability a couple variations of the CZ 75 in 9mm. I hope this helps, but I will mention yet again if you are going to buy a gun practice with it as often as you can, think about the things that will limit that practice. If it is likely that you practice time is going to be less than once a month , think seriously about a Double Action revolver. Incredibly easy to operate (the original point and click) the don't jam (without a welding torch) more accurate and much less finicky about what you feed it. Hope this helps __________________ Evolution requires a body count, Count or be Counted!

07-02-2011, 05:32 AM	#7
nhgunnut gun totin redneck Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South West New Hampshire Moto: turbo busa 999 Duc Goldwing & Victory Posts: 1,130	When Elmer Kieth (famous gun journalist ) was asked if a .22 was a good defense weapon he responded "Beats the hell out of your fingernails!" The two strengths of a .22 are ammo costs $.03 per round and ease of use . The minimal recoil and relativity mild report make this a very easy round to practice with. I have a more than a few calibers to choose from when I shoot but the venerable .22 gets the most use for just those reasons. Here in my relatively rural setting (to have a house here you it has to be on 5 acres) I have fired 10 of thousand of .22 with no complaints from my neighbors, including the my next door neighbor who is our police chief. As far as defense goes, with good shot placement a .22 will do, the lack of significant recoil makes a follow up shot much easier in indoor settings over penetration risk is greatly minimized (a round through a wall and into a unintended target) A good choice in .22 is the good old Ruger Mk 2 there are lots of other choices but the Ruger is well known reasonably priced and reliable. Personally I would stay away from a .25 the ammo is expensive with no significant improvement of the the .22 The 9mm is a good round with ammo costs reasonable $21 for a box of ball I think. Recoil is easily managed, the report is is significant so firing discreetly without can is difficult and this may limit casual plinking options. Meaning practice sessions may require a trip to the range rather than the back yard. The 9 has a fair record as a man stopper and its big selling point has always been magazine capacity in ban states you get 10 rounds. That's 4 more than the good old reliable .38 revolver ( a weapon with the same stopping power , much more reliable than a semi, generally more accurate and is far less finicky about ammo choice ) When my wife carries a 9 mm she loves her Walther P99 (but she usually has carries her S&W .38 air-weight) when I carry a 9mm is is an XD Sub Compact . Glocks are good and I have carried with good reliability a couple variations of the CZ 75 in 9mm. I hope this helps, but I will mention yet again if you are going to buy a gun practice with it as often as you can, think about the things that will limit that practice. If it is likely that you practice time is going to be less than once a month , think seriously about a Double Action revolver. Incredibly easy to operate (the original point and click) the don't jam (without a welding torch) more accurate and much less finicky about what you feed it. Hope this helps __________________ Evolution requires a body count, Count or be Counted!

07-02-2011, 08:01 AM	#9
Corey AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Florida Moto: Not a damn thing Posts: 2,612	Get a hands on with any pistol you're interested in and put rounds through it. I could write page after page after page of what guns I like and recommend and why, and then give you a list of shit I'd love to pick up for various reason. Honestly, it'd mean nothing. Holding and shooting will give you a much better idea of how well a gun will work for you, especially when it counts. Some ergonomics are hit or miss (glock). Some may naturally point better and be easier for you to shoot accurately with less practice. How a gun handles recoil and how reliably it feeds could be the difference between just a rental and a definite purchase.You're going to have to hold them, and possibly shoot them. That said, I carry a Glock 27. It works, it's accurate, but with the price of .40 and the slightly sharp recoil, I'm not sure I'd use it as a plinker in any sense of the word. When I'm not carrying the Glock, I have a S&W 637. It's easy to conceal and shoots pretty well. Nhgunnut touched on a favorite of mine. A CZ is an underrated, great shooting gun that can be had at a very nice price. I've got a CZ40B that is, without a doubt, my favorite pistol of the group. If it was a touch smaller, I'd conceal it. My father picked up a CZ75D Compact recently. It's a beautiful gun that I'd love to own. It's a gun that just fits incredibly well in my hand. Definitely check out a CZ. They're fantastic guns with a really nice trigger. My next gun will most likely be a CZ in 9mm. __________________ Half man, half horse, half motorcycle. All awesome. "Your game is shit, your company is shit. Activision ruined you! Activision ruined you." - Francis

07-02-2011, 12:24 AM	#2
Rangerscott Viff6N Mutated Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Moto: '01 Honda VFR 800 & '09 ER-6N Posts: 8,704	Home defense and plinking usually don't mix. For home defense either get the shortess legal shotty or a .45. For plinking get a 9mm. I don't see .22 a good plinking round for practice since the kick is so much less than a center fired round. Not saying .22 isn't fun to shoot I just wouldn't it would be good to practice with, get used to it, then be a completely different world when it's time to use a bigger round and be thrown off guard by the kick.

07-02-2011, 07:55 AM	#8
Dave Chaotic Neutral Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cherry Hill NJ Moto: GV1200 Madura, Hawk gt Posts: 13,992	Walther p22 is a blast

07-02-2011, 09:15 AM	#10
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	You should be able to get a cheap Ruger 22 for only $200 As for home defense, the whole "9mm isn't enough" is so stale. Not only do most burglars not even pack a gun, but if the homeowner defends themself do you really think the burglar is going to go "oh it's only a 9mm". The idea that someone is going to keep charging at you after being shot only applies to doped-out street attackers, not home invaders. Save money and get what is cheaper and more common --- 9mm. Why buy a gun that you're going to feel bad every time you plunk down money for ammo -- it's just going to get on your nerves, especially as a new gun owner.