wow. local MSF inst. trying to pawn off zx-12r to a new rider

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Heh, no shit, since I "started" on a 929. But when I did, I was smart enough to know I had to be mindful of my brake and throttle control, moreso than my friend that started on an R6. More torque at low RPM, more sensitive throttle, etc. IMPO, anyway.

See? But this is what always gets my "panties" in a twist...why was it okay for you to start on an 929 but every other new rider has to start on a 250? I've heard this so many times. Guys on forums that ride liter bikes that "advise" noobs to get a 250...it just blows my mind! The inherent arrogance! "It was alright for me to start on an 929 but YOU must start on a 250". What made you so exemplary that you could be "allowed" to forgo the "common" wisdom and consensus? You know,back to the OP,I'd much rather start on a smooth,stable 12R,rather than a twitchy,jerky 929!

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

See? But this is what always gets my "panties" in a twist...why was it okay for you to start on an 929 but every other new rider has to start on a 250? I've heard this so many times. Guys on forums that ride liter bikes that "advise" noobs to get a 250...it just blows my mind! The inherent arrogance! "It was alright for me to start on an 929 but YOU must start on a 250". What made you so exemplary that you could be "allowed" to forgo the "common" wisdom and consensus? You know,back to the OP,I'd much rather start on a smooth,stable 12R,rather than a twitchy,jerky 929!

I never said anything about a 250. And I "started" on a 929 after 10 years of dirt riding and 1 year on a 440cc street bike. After 4 years of not riding anything, I bought a 929 as my first sportbike.

I rode my 929 and my friends 12R through Deal's Gap and Cherohala Skyway, and there was nothing about the 12R that would make a better beginner bike than my 929 or a 600. THAT's what I've been saying - nothing about everyone starting on a 250.

[Amber Lamps]

What? You're not the douche that was saying that because the seller was a MSF instructor he shouldn't sell his 12R to a noob but should advise him to get a "more appropriate"/"MSF approved" starter bike? Oh my bad,carry on then.....

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

What? You're not the douche that was saying that because the seller was a MSF instructor he shouldn't sell his 12R to a noob but should advise him to get a "more appropriate"/"MSF approved" starter bike? Oh my bad,carry on then.....

Nope, never said that.

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

That's some damn good logic yo, the only problem is I've never run into that. Everyone who I've rode with that started on a smaller bike was a competent, and more importantly, safe rider.

this makes me wonder if it was because they started on a small bike... or if it was more because of the type of person they are... starting with a 250 usually means they didn't give into the "it's not cool" pressure... so they're of a more mature mindset...

know what I mean?

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

this makes me wonder if it was because they started on a small bike... or if it was more because of the type of person they are... starting with a 250 usually means they didn't give into the "it's not cool" pressure... so they're of a more mature mindset...

know what I mean?

I can see that,but it also depends on what you believe to be a "good rider". When I was younger,a good rider was someone who could run 35 mph curves at 100 with me. For a while it was guys that could run Grattan within 20 secs of race pace. Heck,it was even guys that could do wheelies at 100 mph on the freeway with me for a while. Now I'd settle for about 3 guys who could go for a ride at a moderately fast pace and not crash...

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

I can see that,but it also depends on what you believe to be a "good rider". When I was younger,a good rider was someone who could run 35 mph curves at 100 with me. For a while it was guys that could run Grattan within 20 secs of race pace. Heck,it was even guys that could do wheelies at 100 mph on the freeway with me for a while. Now I'd settle for about 3 guys who could go for a ride at a moderately fast pace and not crash...

mine is more of someone who's in controll and weighs each risk to themselves and THOSE AROUND THEM while riding...

I could care less, if you could ride fast... if I'm riding with ya, I'll ride WITH ya (unless you leave me ) I'll save riding "fast" for myself.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by ebbs15

mine is more of someone who's in controll and weighs each risk to themselves and THOSE AROUND THEM while riding...

I could care less, if you could ride fast... if I'm riding with ya, I'll ride WITH ya (unless you leave me ) I'll save riding "fast" for myself.

I'm sorry,yea I'd hoped that my statements "implied" while not crashing around or into me....

[Mr Lefty]

Originally Posted by TIGGER

I'm sorry,yea I'd hoped that my statements "implied" while not crashing around or into me....

naw I got that... I was more talk'n about riding fast... speed means nothing to me really when I talk about a good rider...

same with a good driver.

[OreoGaborio]

Originally Posted by NeonspeedRT

Excellent post Oreo

When are you doing your RCP?

Thanks... I try.

Orientation is on Super Bowl Sunday (I better be in front of my TV by kickoff!) and the workshop starts Feb 28th. (consecutive weekends until March 22nd.)



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