BMW for sale good deal or no?

tommymac · 03-13-2010, 08:48 AM

A friend of mine is looking at this bike and wanted to know if its a good deal or what he should offer for it. I am not up on all the BMW models so I just wanted to see what some of you thought. Heres the e-mail he sent me with the links:

Tom, check out the links below. Considering it all, what would you offer for this bike?

http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/index.html

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/mcy/1640267799.html

http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/retail...77895712842192

SteveP · 03-13-2010, 10:15 AM

Seems like a decent deal with the low mileage on it. Most of those things have quite a few miles on them.

Trip · 03-13-2010, 11:28 AM

Send a pm to JoshuaTree

That year GS is a very hit or miss bike. It can either be the most reliable bike or it can have something fail every other ride. It's first run of that generation.

azoomm · 03-13-2010, 01:38 PM

Yes, I second the notion to ping Josh.

6doublefive321 · 03-13-2010, 05:00 PM

You know, I'm usually weary of bikes with loads of miles. However, BMW's like this one scare me when they have really low miles. Most folks who buy these types of bikes are hardcore riders, and ride year round, regardless of rain, sleet, or snow. Anytime I see a "rider's bike" with really low miles like this one, I think scam. But, I am the eternal pessimist.

JoshuaTree · 03-14-2010, 10:20 PM

< Borg Voice >
Mileage is irrelevant (to a BMW Motorcycle)
< / Borg Voice >

In large part, what you want to see in a used BMW motorcycle is the maintenance history. Either you believe the owner has maintained the bike, or he has documentation (i.e. service invoices) proving that the ANNUAL SERVICES have been done for a low mileage bike. The most important component for any ABS-equipped bike (regardless of manufacturer) is BRAKE FLUID CHANGES, usually annually.

The first year hexheads ('05-Current R-Series) had some unique challenges. They wouldn't be my first pick, but if you got a GREAT deal (i.e. > 20% BELOW 'book' value) AND you had maintenance history, take it knowing the issues (e.g. Final Drive maintenance without a proper drain/fill plug, wonky EWS rings, etc.).

Have the guy give you the VIN and have your local dealer pull a warranty filing history report (used to be called DCS Report, but it may have changed by now). See if there are any outstanding service bulletins and what warranty repairs were done, if any. If he's done any regular business with a given BMW dealer, go there (or call) and have them disclose the entire work history of the bike (i.e. ensure it hasn't been crashed and repaired to "like new" condition).

YMMV.

Now if your friend only wants a GS, I would advise him to either get a new F800GS or a used R1150GS or R1100GS. As long as you can either do the maintenance yourself (easy with the R1100-1150 generation bikes) or knows that he can afford the shop rates for an F800, he'll likely have a bike that will outlast his desire to own it.

Thus sayeth me.

Mr Lefty · 03-15-2010, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshuaTree

< Borg Voice >
Mileage is irrelevant (to a BMW Motorcycle)
< / Borg Voice >

In large part, what you want to see in a used BMW motorcycle is the maintenance history. Either you believe the owner has maintained the bike, or he has documentation (i.e. service invoices) proving that the ANNUAL SERVICES have been done for a low mileage bike. The most important component for any ABS-equipped bike (regardless of manufacturer) is BRAKE FLUID CHANGES, usually annually.

The first year hexheads ('05-Current R-Series) had some unique challenges. They wouldn't be my first pick, but if you got a GREAT deal (i.e. > 20% BELOW 'book' value) AND you had maintenance history, take it knowing the issues (e.g. Final Drive maintenance without a proper drain/fill plug, wonky EWS rings, etc.).

Have the guy give you the VIN and have your local dealer pull a warranty filing history report (used to be called DCS Report, but it may have changed by now). See if there are any outstanding service bulletins and what warranty repairs were done, if any. If he's done any regular business with a given BMW dealer, go there (or call) and have them disclose the entire work history of the bike (i.e. ensure it hasn't been crashed and repaired to "like new" condition).

YMMV.

Now if your friend only wants a GS, I would advise him to either get a new F800GS or a used R1150GS or R1100GS. As long as you can either do the maintenance yourself (easy with the R1100-1150 generation bikes) or knows that he can afford the shop rates for an F800, he'll likely have a bike that will outlast his desire to own it.

Thus sayeth me.

I'm interested... what's the deal with this? is the F800 really that expensive to work on? or should I say does the shop really charge that much to work on it? My nearest shop is 3.5 hrs a way and I'd LOVE an F800GS but if it's gonna cost me an arm and a leg for each scheduled maintenance and and 7hrs of riding time... I may wait until I move to a location nearer a dealer. (haven't heard anything but crap about the Baton Rouge BMW anyways)

Trip · 03-15-2010, 04:14 PM

The R-GS bikes are just stupid simple to work on besides the ABS. You don't have to go to the shop, where as the F800 the more major service is a lot harder.

JoshuaTree · 03-15-2010, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip

The R-GS bikes are just stupid simple to work on besides the ABS. You don't have to go to the shop, where as the F800 the more major service is a lot harder.

*DING* We have a winner!

All CanBus bikes (05-current) require a dealer-only serivce computer to adjust/reset certain things. On the pre-iABS GS'es, ABS II can be bled by simple vacuum bleeders, and doesn't need a computer. There are 'tricks' to bleed an iABS bike without the service computer, but you still need the special service funnel to do the job correctly. The F800 is proving to be as solid and reliable as the 'old school' BMWs, excepting some trivial teething pains regarding the charcoal canister and other 'simple stuff'.

Mr Lefty · 03-16-2010, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshuaTree

*DING* We have a winner!

All CanBus bikes (05-current) require a dealer-only serivce computer to adjust/reset certain things. On the pre-iABS GS'es, ABS II can be bled by simple vacuum bleeders, and doesn't need a computer. There are 'tricks' to bleed an iABS bike without the service computer, but you still need the special service funnel to do the job correctly. The F800 is proving to be as solid and reliable as the 'old school' BMWs, excepting some trivial teething pains regarding the charcoal canister and other 'simple stuff'.

yeah I've been following them closely...seen isolated instances of other issues... one, on adventure rider leaked oil from the head like crazy... but like I said... isolated bikes...

have they fixed the issue about the key ring antenna? that was another "major" issue I'd read about a while back... but haven't heard much as of late so I'm assuming a recall too care of that.

any idea how much the services cost for the F800? that's something I haven't read

03-13-2010, 08:48 AM	#1
tommymac Moto GP Star Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,022	BMW for sale good deal or no? A friend of mine is looking at this bike and wanted to know if its a good deal or what he should offer for it. I am not up on all the BMW models so I just wanted to see what some of you thought. Heres the e-mail he sent me with the links: Tom, check out the links below. Considering it all, what would you offer for this bike? http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/index.html http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/mcy/1640267799.html http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/retail...77895712842192

03-13-2010, 05:00 PM	#5
6doublefive321 Resident Droog Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern burbs, Atlanta Moto: 625 SMC, '08 Tuono R Posts: 471	You know, I'm usually weary of bikes with loads of miles. However, BMW's like this one scare me when they have really low miles. Most folks who buy these types of bikes are hardcore riders, and ride year round, regardless of rain, sleet, or snow. Anytime I see a "rider's bike" with really low miles like this one, I think scam. But, I am the eternal pessimist. __________________ I'm sick and tired of being bored.

03-14-2010, 10:20 PM	#6
JoshuaTree DILLIGAF? Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, Texas, USA, Earth, Sol, Western Spiral Arm, Milky Way Moto: 1993 K75SA Posts: 483	< Borg Voice > Mileage is irrelevant (to a BMW Motorcycle) < / Borg Voice > In large part, what you want to see in a used BMW motorcycle is the maintenance history. Either you believe the owner has maintained the bike, or he has documentation (i.e. service invoices) proving that the ANNUAL SERVICES have been done for a low mileage bike. The most important component for any ABS-equipped bike (regardless of manufacturer) is BRAKE FLUID CHANGES, usually annually. The first year hexheads ('05-Current R-Series) had some unique challenges. They wouldn't be my first pick, but if you got a GREAT deal (i.e. > 20% BELOW 'book' value) AND you had maintenance history, take it knowing the issues (e.g. Final Drive maintenance without a proper drain/fill plug, wonky EWS rings, etc.). Have the guy give you the VIN and have your local dealer pull a warranty filing history report (used to be called DCS Report, but it may have changed by now). See if there are any outstanding service bulletins and what warranty repairs were done, if any. If he's done any regular business with a given BMW dealer, go there (or call) and have them disclose the entire work history of the bike (i.e. ensure it hasn't been crashed and repaired to "like new" condition). YMMV. Now if your friend only wants a GS, I would advise him to either get a new F800GS or a used R1150GS or R1100GS. As long as you can either do the maintenance yourself (easy with the R1100-1150 generation bikes) or knows that he can afford the shop rates for an F800, he'll likely have a bike that will outlast his desire to own it. Thus sayeth me. __________________ "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" "Learn to do the counter-intuitive things that may one day save your ass..." "... Love Much, Laugh Often..." - Amanda Kay Corso (January 18, 1980 - April 15, 2008)

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03-13-2010, 10:15 AM	#2
SteveP Canyon Carver Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Pensacola, FL Moto: The v-twin trifecta Posts: 437	Seems like a decent deal with the low mileage on it. Most of those things have quite a few miles on them.

03-13-2010, 01:38 PM	#4
azoomm moderator chick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hill Country TX Moto: Pasta Rockets Posts: 8,917	Yes, I second the notion to ping Josh.

03-15-2010, 04:14 PM	#8
Trip Hold mah beer! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 80 Miles South of Moto Heaven Moto: 08 R1200GS Posts: 23,268	The R-GS bikes are just stupid simple to work on besides the ABS. You don't have to go to the shop, where as the F800 the more major service is a lot harder.