wow. local MSF inst. trying to pawn off zx-12r to a new rider - Page 5

fasternyou929 · 01-14-2009, 07:42 PM

Is this one of those Trip-like arguments where you say stupid shit to stand ground on something you don't believe in just for the sake of arguing?

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Originally Posted by pickle.of.doom

Throttle will kick you off on either bike. The 12r with its extra weight and stability would actually be a better bike to fuck up the braking part on.

If you screw up braking on a 12r, you now have MORE weight out of control, be it too hot into a turn or headed toward the pavement because you hit the binders in a turn. And the 12r throttle response and torque is far different than a 600.

Amber Lamps · 01-14-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Is this one of those Trip-like arguments where you say stupid shit to stand ground on something you don't believe in just for the sake of arguing?

If you screw up braking on a 12r, you now have MORE weight out of control, be it too hot into a turn or headed toward the pavement because you hit the binders in a turn. And the 12r throttle response and torque is far different than a 600.

A GSXR1000 weighs maybe 15lbs more than a SV650... I went through a corner at least twice as fast as a newer rider on a SV a couple of weeks ago,I made it he didn't,why? Of course experience was at work but it has always been my contention that the inferior suspension and brakes on "starter" bikes can also be to blame....

As far as the OP goes...whether I'm selling you a bike or a gun,it is not my responsibility to make sure you know how to handle it.

Smittie61984 · 01-14-2009, 10:51 PM

I took the MSF course and the next day ran the Isle of Man TT. I won the fucker on a Ninja250 in the 1000cc class. That guy was my teacher.

101lifts2 · 01-14-2009, 11:19 PM

I've owned a 12r...actually the bike if very easy to ride. I would say go for it!!

fasternyou929 · 01-14-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

A GSXR1000 weighs maybe 15lbs more than a SV650... I went through a corner at least twice as fast as a newer rider on a SV a couple of weeks ago,I made it he didn't,why? Of course experience was at work but it has always been my contention that the inferior suspension and brakes on "starter" bikes can also be to blame....

As far as the OP goes...whether I'm selling you a bike or a gun,it is not my responsibility to make sure you know how to handle it.

Gixxer and SV are in two different classes of sport bike, but I'd be willing to be had you been on the SV, you would've made it. I doubt either of you are riding near the limits of either bike.

Dave · 01-14-2009, 11:50 PM

playing devil's advocate a bit here but the 12r is a hefty beast at around 550 wet and makes around 160 hp. a 600rr comes in at about 430 and 106 and for fairness sake my 954 is approximately 430 and 150. given a 200lb rider and some quick math we get a weight to power ratio for the 12 of 4.7, the 600 gets a 6.0 and the 954 rocks the clocks at a 4.2. the blade isint exactly the most hardcore bike in the litre class either. its theoretically possible if the guy isint a fuck head

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Originally Posted by neebelung

It's kinda both.

It's a conflict of interest NOT that it's his own bike, but that as an MSF instructor, you should, in short, practice what you preach. You wouldn't advise a classroom of newbies to go out and buy liter bikes, so don't turn around and try to sell him your own. He's compromising the principles he's teaching more than anything.

Amber Lamps · 01-14-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Gixxer and SV are in two different classes of sport bike, but I'd be willing to be had you been on the SV, you would've made it. I doubt either of you are riding near the limits of either bike.

Oh of course not....I'm sure that you'll agree that the GSXR,any GSXR has far better brakes and suspension than any "starter bike",the Sv included.

Dave · 01-14-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Oh of course not....I'm sure that you'll agree that the GSXR,any GSXR has far better brakes and suspension than any "starter bike",the Sv included.

thus the mad rush to throw gsxr parts on peoples sv's

Amber Lamps · 01-14-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

thus the mad rush to throw gsxr parts on peoples sv's

That reminds me that I have forks and a shock to sell one of these days....

My only point such as it is,is that almost all crashes I've ever seen on the street resulted from injudicious use of the brakes and/or coming into a corner to hot for the rider (not necessarily the bike). In over 25 years of riding,I've only high sided once on the street...

The Awesome · 01-15-2009, 12:12 AM

The problem is you don't have to be able to ride, or know anything about riding for that matter, to be an MSF instructor. The MSF is a joke, and it should not be assumed that just because someone is playing the role of teacher that they have any business being there. My MSF instructors were some of the worst riders I've seen to this day.

01-14-2009, 10:51 PM	#43
Smittie61984 I give Squids a bad name Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fly Over State Moto: 1996 CBR600 F3 (AKA the Flying Turd) Posts: 4,742	I took the MSF course and the next day ran the Isle of Man TT. I won the fucker on a Ninja250 in the 1000cc class. That guy was my teacher. __________________ lifts - R.I.P.

01-14-2009, 11:19 PM	#44
101lifts2 WSB Champion Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Anaheim, CA Moto: 2009 Kawi ZX6R Posts: 5,570	I've owned a 12r...actually the bike if very easy to ride. I would say go for it!! __________________ Train Hard Ron Paul - 2012 Mark of Excellence GM

01-15-2009, 12:12 AM	#50
The Awesome Custom User Title Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 120	The problem is you don't have to be able to ride, or know anything about riding for that matter, to be an MSF instructor. The MSF is a joke, and it should not be assumed that just because someone is playing the role of teacher that they have any business being there. My MSF instructors were some of the worst riders I've seen to this day.