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Old 01-15-2009, 04:39 PM   #61
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Excuse me if I don't jump on your bandwagon there line-boy, I think for myself.
You really missed the point of my post, didn't ya, Lightning? I said arguing a viewpoint you don't believe in for the sake of arguing is stupid. What part of that has anything to do with a bandwagon?

If your view is that a 12R is truly a better starter bike than a 600RR, then I don't want you anywhere near my bandwagon anyway. You guys have your own, shorter version.

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Old 01-15-2009, 04:47 PM   #62
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Yes, I tend to look for reasons as to why people do things, as opposed to the sheeple. Don't worry, I won't be anywhere near your pen.
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Old 01-15-2009, 04:55 PM   #63
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so on a local forum, some new rider WTB a bike,

local MSF inst. and owner of a training facility of course plugs his shop which is easily 1hr away passing up 2 nearer places.

but then says, i got a zx-12r for sale............

is it me or is that a lil over the top?

This sounds familiar... it wasn't in the CraigsList MOFO was it?
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:05 PM   #64
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Yes, I tend to look for reasons as to why people do things, as opposed to the sheeple. Don't worry, I won't be anywhere near your pen.
Yeah, to hell with common sense and past lessons learned, that'll prove your individuality! If not, there's always cutting.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:09 PM   #65
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hahahahahaha "lightning"
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:17 PM   #66
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LOL typical sheeple. Can't win? Better start tossing out insults and names then.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:22 PM   #67
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LOL typical sheeple. Can't win? Better start tossing out insults and names then.
Typical what "throwing out insults and names"?
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:54 PM   #68
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PoD -- just food for thought here: just because the majority agrees on something (or in this case, disagrees with YOU) doesn't mean we're sheeple... in many cases (not all... ), when the majority agrees, it means they're RIGHT.

I'm just sayin....

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Old 01-16-2009, 12:31 AM   #69
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Haha, I can't keep it up, I don't even know what point we are arguing anymore.

Of course the guy is a douchebag that is just trying to make a sale.


I stand by two things I said in this thread though.

If he did spend a weekend or a week's course with this kid, as his MSF instructor, I would take his opinion of what kind of bike he would be ok on over a bunch of strangers debating it on a forum.

Also, I think in a lot of cases, a 12r IS probably more forgiving than a more modern 600, which is a lot lighter, a lot more high strung, with a shorter wheelbase, as well as a more aggressive rake and trail, brakes that bite a lot more, etc etc.
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:42 AM   #70
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I completely agree with POD... someone with SOME training on a bigger bike is a safer rider IMO than someone with 0 training on a smaller bike.

or at least if I were a betting man... that's where I'd put my money.

I do believe the MSF instructor is a hypocrite.

and just my but argue'n a point that you don't believe in isn't stupid... it shows KNOWLEDGE about the subject. easy to argue from YOUR viewpoint... quite another to defend one you don't fully support.
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